PP flash point change?

[Triple_Se7en]

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Originally posted by Eddie:
I agree with triple on the red flag question. Since Pennzoil has been bought by another company I wonder what is really going on with them. In the past Pennzoil was a a top tier oil. Now with the company being sold and formulatings changing often I've lost my warm feeling for Pennzoil products until they get sorted out. JMO

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My concerns are not about wear numbers. I know the wear numbers with EOP are good. What concerns me is that perhaps SOPUS changed the formula because the EOP oil was not removing any dirt/crud buildup in the engine -- thus staying clean/clear inside the engine/on the dipstick for way-way too long.

That's why I'm holding my red EOP Flag! That's why I'm speculating SOPUS changed the formula.

 

[Terry]

"Yes, but is PP going to continue to show good results from its ongoing changing formulations? The results that it showed in the past, with past formulations, are meaningless today."


Not at all from my perspective, Shell is the parent of the brand chemistry in question. Does Shell formulate proper, effective racing oils for world class racing teams for Audi and Ferrari?

Is there any chance that same technolgy could bleed into Platinum?

We at BITOG don't know for sure what if anything has changed. Johnny is a honest guy but having worked with the formulators of many different oil brands they don't tell ANYONE all the recipe. Lubricant brand formulations of all companies change, meeting design specs but change due to the realities of the market, supply, ACEA,API spec changes, etc.

If Platinum was your US PCMO flagship lubricant what would you do?

If Platinum is **** I will know it way before most of you will and would steer my customers away from it!

 

[buster]

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Shell is the parent of the brand chemistry in question. Does Shell formulate proper, effective racing oils for world class racing teams for Audi and Ferrari?

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So does XOM. Do you like Mobil 1?

I called Shell today, PP is a Group III. The guy I spoke with seemed honest, at least by phone. He said the new PP is a better oil. Better shear and oxidation stability. Time will tell.

 

[Terry]

Mike, I "like" any chemistry that lowers wear,cools,lowers friction, and can be used in extended drains without sacrificing wear control, resisting contamination and excessive deposits buildup.

 

[Tom NJ]

Hi Buster,

The relative prices for the various base oils have changed over the past few years with all of the increases and shortages. Today they stand approximately at:

Grp I = 1
Grp II = 1
Grp II+ = 1.1
Grp III = 1.25
Grp IV (PAO) = 2 to 2.5
Grp V (Esters) = 3 to 5

These are relative wholesale prices and assume large bulk volumes.

Tom

 

[buster]

Thanks Tom and Terry.

 

[427Z06]

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Originally posted by 427Z06:
Has anyone deciphered the batch/lot numbers on the bottles for the date?

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Bump.

 

[JohnBrowning]

I am sure glad that when I buy a bottle of Mobil 1 Extended Performance I know what I am getting!! IF I want G-III wich I have in hand in the form of Rotella T Synthetic 5w40 for $14 a gallon I will buy one. I am glad that PP is being honest about what is in their product.

I wish I could say that I did not see this comeing! As usual only a few companies offer a true synthetic widely available and XOM has to be the most widely available G-IV,V oil.

I also find it hard to belive that Mobil 1 Extended Performance has any short comeing's in the valvetrain wear area. All my family uses for the most part is XOM synthetic products and we have never worn out an engine or a valve train. I even get good results with the evil Mobil 1 0w40 product. I am not saying that XOM's products are the cat's mee-ow but they have represent a good value for a long time! They have always been honest with what they were putting in their bottles and for a long time they were the only PAO OTC oil available in the retail setting. They also were cheaper for a long time then their GIII competitors.

I am glad that the price is fair for PP! I still think that Rotella T Synthetic 5w40 is a better value though.

 

[427Z06]

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Originally posted by JohnBrowning:
I am sure glad that when I buy a bottle of Mobil 1 Extended Performance I know what I am getting!! IF I want G-III wich I have in hand in the form of Rotella T Synthetic 5w40 for $14 a gallon I will buy one. I am glad that PP is being honest about what is in their product.

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I generally agree with you. However, I always wondered why EM has been changing the viscosity of their M1 line. Then I started hearing rumors that M1 now contains some Grp III. Terry probably knows for sure, but I doubt he'll tell us.

 

[buster]

427, Tom's GC of M1 showed majority PAO with POE and AN.

Mobil 1 Extended Performance 5w30 is now 11.0 cSt. The regular is 11.3 cSt.

 

[Terry]

from 427, "Terry probably knows for sure, but I doubt he'll, tell us."



I am walking a public razor here, sorry. I really like to share good stuff that is helpful to folks. Sometimes ND agreements limit me.

johnbrowning, I do see increased wear generation in valve train using M1. I have stated that here before. I see excellent wear control with the PP. I want/need to work again for both the parents of the products so thats it.

 

[outersquare]

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Originally posted by Terry:

johnbrowning, I do see increased wear generation in valve train using M1. I have stated that here before. I see excellent wear control with the PP. I want/need to work again for both the parents of the products so thats it.

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is the extra wear on any particular grade of M1?

I'm particularly interested in 0w/5w-20.

 

[427Z06]

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Originally posted by Terry:
from 427, "Terry probably knows for sure, but I doubt he'll, tell us."

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That's what I meant...I just worded it poorly.

 

[427Z06]

Anyone see the date code in this number from a bottle of PP:

HLPA308622/04255/21:15

 

[lenny a]

I just changed my oil Pennzoil Platinum 5W30 in my ZX2 Ford. 2.0 litre. It had 10,480 miles on it with no top off oil used during the interval. I used a Mobil 1 M-211 oil filter. My vehicle has 42,763 miles on it at time of the oil change. The oil still looked fairly clean and used about 8 ounces during the 10,480 mile interval. I saved some and as soon as my test tube gets here I will send it in and post my results.

 

[Terry]

The Mobil 1 0w/5w20 is a good lube, all the Mobil 1 formulas are good formulas for normal use. The difference is in more extreme EP regimens judged by UOA and compared to proprietary testing to other comparable products.

To be fair I have NOT seen the Mobil 1 Extended Performance formulas in that kind of testing. I am just beginning to get in data on EP Mobil 1 being used on a more broad basis.

Keep this in mind, I work as a consultant for others but I am not owned by them. At least not to date....

Keep it coming 427Z06, I know what you meant but the newer reader may not. Sometimes I feel like its groundhog day all over again...sometimes I feel like its

 

[goodvibes]

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Originally posted by Triple_Se7en:

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Originally posted by Eddie:
I agree with triple on the red flag question. Since Pennzoil has been bought by another company I wonder what is really going on with them. In the past Pennzoil was a a top tier oil. Now with the company being sold and formulatings changing often I've lost my warm feeling for Pennzoil products until they get sorted out. JMO

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My concerns are not about wear numbers. I know the wear numbers with EOP are good. What concerns me is that perhaps SOPUS changed the formula because the EOP oil was not removing any dirt/crud buildup in the engine -- thus staying clean/clear inside the engine/on the dipstick for way-way too long.

That's why I'm holding my red EOP Flag! That's why I'm speculating SOPUS changed the formula.

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I don't think grp III or IV offers much in detergency so I doubt that's it. There's a reason that group I or IV is added to these to keep adds in suspension. I would suspect that EOP could only have been the same or better in this regard but I'll leave it to the experts.