PP flash point change?
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It's a sad day in Pennzoil land........no wonder they sell it for $3.97.
Group III based products are generally viewed as inferior products here on BITOG, but the used oil analysis don't support this at all. PP, Syntec and other Group III synthetics turn in used oil analysis that are terrific and comparable/better than M1 or Amsoil. No one knows the actual formulas, but I would bet that each contain some ester and other high-end additives that justify a higher cost vs. conventional motor oil. I think most of us (myself included) pre-judge these products too harshly.
It should be the effectiveness of an engine oil, not the components, that we should use to base our judgement. PP has turned in some really good used oil analysis and I am running it now in my wife's Expdetion. I don't care which Group, III or V, constitutes the majority of the base oil!!
It should be the effectiveness of an engine oil, not the components, that we should use to base our judgement. PP has turned in some really good used oil analysis and I am running it now in my wife's Expdetion. I don't care which Group, III or V, constitutes the majority of the base oil!!
I have seen the new ads. [this month's Golf Digest has one] for the new P.P..
It has molecules that will re-connect when sheared, and will thin out when needed for flow.
It seems from the Pennzopil rep. that the new stuff isn't actually out on the market, yet.
I'll wait to buy some, and check the date on the bottles.
BTW, I don't know the name of the advertizing agency of the Ad, nor who publishes Golf Digest.
It has molecules that will re-connect when sheared, and will thin out when needed for flow.
It seems from the Pennzopil rep. that the new stuff isn't actually out on the market, yet.
I'll wait to buy some, and check the date on the bottles.
BTW, I don't know the name of the advertizing agency of the Ad, nor who publishes Golf Digest.
I agree with NewGuy, too. Too much emotionalism (and little else) in these incessant "'real' synthetic" base oil discussions.
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SOPUS is making me dizzy. They bailed-out of the EOP base in a big-time hurry. Are they not saying that there's something wrong with it.... like perhaps no detergency???
My 99' S-10 4.3 Platinum OCI is just-now turning into black oil at 6K. Did over 20 oil changes with this vehicle & every prior oil brand turned black by 3K at-least.
I have two OCIs left of Platinum (12 quarts). Do I feed it to my 93 Shadow and 94 Caravan beater autos??? I paid the rebate price (around $2.50)... there's no way I'm putting this EOP in my newer Colorado 4X4 like I planned.
When oil gets changed/reformulated after only a short run, that raises a red flag with me.
My 99' S-10 4.3 Platinum OCI is just-now turning into black oil at 6K. Did over 20 oil changes with this vehicle & every prior oil brand turned black by 3K at-least.
I have two OCIs left of Platinum (12 quarts). Do I feed it to my 93 Shadow and 94 Caravan beater autos??? I paid the rebate price (around $2.50)... there's no way I'm putting this EOP in my newer Colorado 4X4 like I planned.
When oil gets changed/reformulated after only a short run, that raises a red flag with me.
I had never thought PP was anything more than a Group III. How did the Group V notion start? If it was group V like Redline, I would have expected a flash point around 250C, and a NOACK Volatility near 6%. Have not seen anything like that for PP. Or are there some old specs around with those kind of numbers for PP?
I'd like to see the extended OCI used oil analysis on this site, let's say 8,000 mi. and up, showing that PP, Syntec, and other Group III syns are comparable to or better than M1 or Amsoil. I don't remember seeing very many at all.
Whatever the actual base oil chemistry of PP it IS showing good oil analysis results that we intepret. Especially lower wear values in spite of fuel dilute, etc.
Dyson customers who use the PP product, report that retail cost is significantly lower than comparable or competitive products.
I know of no public definitive base oil determination aside from what the Pennzoil tech rep reported.
Longer drains reports are not being recieved yet, in large enough volume to determine extended drains capability. If the current results are consistent longer drains should be a snap.
I am working in a proprietary status for the maker of PP so until I am released/empowered to share more I cannot. Heck I am working in a proprietary status for many of the products you all buy so I have to walk a fine line here publicly.
I'm with RayH on this one, use performance not marketing to guide you.
Dyson customers who use the PP product, report that retail cost is significantly lower than comparable or competitive products.
I know of no public definitive base oil determination aside from what the Pennzoil tech rep reported.
Longer drains reports are not being recieved yet, in large enough volume to determine extended drains capability. If the current results are consistent longer drains should be a snap.
I am working in a proprietary status for the maker of PP so until I am released/empowered to share more I cannot. Heck I am working in a proprietary status for many of the products you all buy so I have to walk a fine line here publicly.
I'm with RayH on this one, use performance not marketing to guide you.
You might be right that there are not many examples of extended drains using PP, Syntec or other Grp III products. However, there really aren't many 10K+ examples on any oil. I have never seen a bad UOA from any Castrol product. I have seen some great used oil analysis on Syntec in a variety of engines.
I am not a champion of Grp III synthetics. There are those who infer that Group IV and V based oils are superior, but I have seen no data to back that up either. PP and Syntec (non-GC) have proven to be really good products.
Instead of trying to prove that Grp III are "as good as"....I would like to see proof that M1 is "better than".
I believe (based on the used oil analysis I have seen) that PP and Syntec are looked down upon because they may contain some Grp III materials. I am saying that the data simply doesn't back this up.
GrpIII is CHEAPER to procure than PAO,POE, esters etc. My beef has always been that if a product is priced high, it had better perform better, VALUE. IMHO this is were Castrol tripped initially with the M1/ Castrol fight about the "marketing definition of synthetic".
Specialty Formulations is about the only one I know of right now that is giving that kind of value on GRP V stuff.
Specialty Formulations is about the only one I know of right now that is giving that kind of value on GRP V stuff.
Thanks Terry!
Yes, but is PP going to continue to show good results from its ongoing changing formulations? The results that it showed in the past, with past formulations, are meaningless today.
I agree with triple on the red flag question. Since Pennzoil has been bought by another company I wonder what is really going on with them. In the past Pennzoil was a a top tier oil. Now with the company being sold and formulatings changing often I've lost my warm feeling for Pennzoil products until they get sorted out. JMO
I'm not concerned about the base oil as long as the performance vs price provides high value. I trust Terry if he says the performance is still there.
Just the same, I'm curious. Strictly for entertainment value, I would like to know whether I have the EOP stuff or the Grp III stuff. Has anyone deciphered the batch/lot numbers on the bottles for the date?
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