PP 5W30 4,116 - Mazdaspeed 3 2.3L DISI Turbo

[BeerLube]

My first UOA!

Driving is 75% highway and 25% city, between Fort Worth and Austin TX. I'm doing all I can to make this car last, so I enjoy the ocassional boost junkie grin, but otherwise am pretty good to her. Also, broke in on factory fill until about 500 miles, changed with dealer dino, ran to 4,500 miles, again changed with dealer dino to about 8,500 miles, then switched to PP 5W30.

Considering all the UOA's on this and other DISI motors I've seen with high fuel #'s, I'm very happy with this analysis. Yes, viscosity is a bit low, but I'm reading that PP is quite low out of the bottle for a 5W30, so maybe this was to be expected? I'd go to PP 10W30, but I'd like to stay with Mazda-specified oil until my powertrain warranty is up. That and I'm in sunny and temperate Texas. Also thinking I might be safe at the Mazda-specified 5k mile OCI, with additive numbers looking above average and my relatively benign driving habits. I'm hoping some of you will offer opinions based on more knowledge and wisdom than I currently possess on the subject. Thanks in advanced everyone.

 

[REDDOG]

FWIW the Pennzoil data sheet says Visc. @ 100 C is 10.3 and lists FP @224 C= 435 F.

Despite the low Visc in your report the numbers look good-I'd be happy. Thanks for posting!

REDDOG

 

[Nederlander75]

Looks really good. Im looking at doing a fuel dilution test on my Speed6 since it looks like every one of the MZR's is shearing the oils to modest 20wts despite their being no fuel showing up in the standard tests by Blackstone and OAI and flash points being good. None the less all seem to show good wear, and about the same copper at this mileage. Want to rule out chemical shearing. I will be pulling a sample tomorrow or Saturday on a 1,700 mile run of MC 5w30 with 3K total on the engine and installing GC. Will be interesting to see how it holds up to shearing.

Good report.

 

[brecker]

I just put PP in my speed3 as well...

Question: I put in the bottle listed as "New formula with adaptive molecules"

Is this better or worse than the "standard" PP?

 

[Gary Allan]

Originally Posted By: brecker
I just put PP in my speed3 as well...

Question: I put in the bottle listed as "New formula with adaptive molecules"

Is this better or worse than the "standard" PP?


They came up with that marketing term at the onset of their EOP formula, iirc. They then, in an amazingly short span of time, abandoned the EOP for Group III basestocks. There must have been seal issues or whatnot that they couldn't effectively cope with.

That said, their adaptive molecules don't appear to be recombining like the commercial depicts. The consolation is that it appears that this engine runs well on a 20 weight.

 

[BeerLube]

Good thoughts. Can anyone opine whether or not I'd be good increasing my OCI to 5k or so, or are there concerns of further shearing? That said, again, I'd really like to go to PP 10W30 with the intent of extending OCI a bit, but I doubt Mazda would be happy with that should any warranty issues arise.

I do have a few bottles of the "old" EOP formula (adaptive molecule marketing) and some newer bottles without. Shouldn't be any concerns mixing these right?

 

[Gary Allan]

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Can anyone opine whether or not I'd be good increasing my OCI to 5k or so, or are there concerns of further shearing?


I wouldn't worry about further shearing, myself. Your flash point is SOLID over 4k ..no reason to think that it won't be at 5k and beyond. That's about as good as it gets. I'd seriously consider a 20 weight. You're already there.

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That said, again, I'd really like to go to PP 10W30 with the intent of extending OCI a bit, but I doubt Mazda would be happy with that should any warranty issues arise.


Surely use 10w-30 if you want to. You're doing UOA ..so you've seen what the spec'd oil appears like in normal service at approved intervals. I don't see how you could run into warranty issues from a lubrication standpoint.

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I do have a few bottles of the "old" EOP formula (adaptive molecule marketing) and some newer bottles without. Shouldn't be any concerns mixing these right?


I'm sure that it's not going to hurt anything. It may not allow you to get everything out of each formulation that's there to be had.

 

[blackdiamond]

I hope that my next UOA looks that good in my Speed 3.

 

[SubLGT]

Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Originally Posted By: brecker
I just put PP in my speed3 as well...

Question: I put in the bottle listed as "New formula with adaptive molecules"

Is this better or worse than the "standard" PP?


They came up with that marketing term at the onset of their EOP formula, iirc. They then, in an amazingly short span of time, abandoned the EOP for Group III basestocks. There must have been seal issues or whatnot that they couldn't effectively cope with.

That said, their adaptive molecules don't appear to be recombining like the commercial depicts. The consolation is that it appears that this engine runs well on a 20 weight.


The EOP bottles (I still have a few) say "time released protection". The "adaptive molecules" is the latest slogan from Pennzoil. When I asked Terry whether I should use the EOP or latest formulation Platinum this winter, he informed me it does not matter. If there were in fact "seal issues" with the EOP formulation, I assume he would know about them and would have warned me away from the EOP stuff.

 

[buster]

You down wit da OPP base stock?

 

[BeerLube]

Originally Posted By: buster
You down wit da OPP base stock?


If I only knew what OPP meant... I understand this is a group 3 base vs. the more expensive group 4 bases that M1 used to be made from?

Either way, not sure group 4 would be worth the extra cash if PP seems to be doing this well.

 

[buster]

It's a great report.

 

[badtlc]

Originally Posted By: BeerLube
Originally Posted By: buster
You down wit da OPP base stock?


If I only knew what OPP meant... I understand this is a group 3 base vs. the more expensive group 4 bases that M1 used to be made from?

Either way, not sure group 4 would be worth the extra cash if PP seems to be doing this well.


I think he was referring to the old Pennzoil Platinum basestock that was GrpV EOP instead of the current GrpIII offering.

 

[BeerLube]

2nd UOA for this motor is here:

PP 5W30 4,818 - Mazdaspeed 3 2.3L DISI Turbo