pour point used up in cold

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COLD WEATHER STARTS: AGENTS OF DOOM

The pour point of an oil is 5 degrees F above the point at which a chilled oil shows no movement at the surface for 5 seconds when inclined. That's tech-talk which basically means that the pour point of an oil is the point at which it ceases to be "pourable". This measurement is especially important for oils used in cold climates.

A borderline pumping temperature is given by some manufacturers. This is the lowest temperature at which the oil will pump and maintain adequate oil pressure within an engine. This is not given by a lot of the manufacturers, but can be anywhere from 5 to 15 or 20 degrees F above the pour point. So, the lower the pour point the better.

For cold weather operation, most vehicles should be running a 5w30 or 10w30 motor oil. Most 5w30 petroleum oils have pour points in the range of -30 to -40 degrees F. That means that their borderline pumping temperature is, between -35 and -15 degrees F when they come out of the bottle. In most cases, closer to the warmer end of the scale.

In a cold climate where every day is 0 degrees or lower, the pour point depressant additives in a petroleum oil are used up quickly. As these additives are used up, the pour point (and borderline pumping temperature) of the oil rises. In addition, after the engine heats up the oil is subjected to high temperature conditions that burn off the lighter molecules in a petroleum oil, causing it to thicken.

So, if you're running a petroleum 5w30, expect decent cold weather starts when the oil comes out of the bottle. But, after a thousand miles or so, don't expect to go out and start your car at -10 degrees and have it purr like a kitten. It's going to spit and sputter and kick and scream for a few minutes.

Why do you think that is? It's not getting any oil up into the engine. It's like trying to suck molasses through a tiny straw in an Alaskan January. There's literally nothing keeping the metal components in your engine from tearing each other apart. Every time you start your engine in conditions like this, your engine dies a little bit more. Your oil is dying, and it's taking your engine with it.

Synthetic oils, on the other hand, routinely have pour points around -50 degrees F or colder. Some have pour points as low as -60 to -70 degrees F. Granted, there are very few of us who will ever have to start our car at this temperature, but imagine how well these oils lubricate at -20, if it they still flow at -70. And, because synthetics don't need additives to maintain their low temperature fluidity (as we discussed earlier), they continue to flow at these extremely low temperatures for a much longer period of time.

Now, I know that some of you live in areas where you almost never see temperatures under freezing. For you folks, the pour point of your oil may be a little less important, but it still serves to prove a point about the protection differences between petroleum oils and synthetics.

[ October 09, 2002, 06:56 PM: Message edited by: BOBISTHEOILGUY ]
 
This is why on all my cars, just before winter's cold weather hits, I change the oil. Then I know for sure I'm getting the best protection on cold starts. Not only that, but once the ground is covered in snow I don't want to be changing oil anyways, so doing an oil change just before the snow hits means I'm good until well after the snow has melted in the spring (especially now that I'll be going even longer intervals)
 
Interesting how the conventional oils loose there pour point depresants much faster than the synthetic. I did not know this. When an oil is tested to see if it is a 5w30, it doesn't matter if it is conventional or synthetic. They all have to meet cold crank #'s of less than 6600 at -30c. That would mean that all 5w30's will crank the same at -30c - right? The Synthetic last (hold it's pour point)longer in cold weather.
 
I recognize your post. It's from the intro to Michael Kaufman's, "Motor Oil Bible" which is an excellent book on motor oils. Elsewhere in the book he explains how the wax crystals in conventional oils absorb the pour-point depressants in cold temperatures and hence the deteriorating cold temp performance over time. Group IV and V synthetics have no wax so their cold temp performance does not deteriorate. Synthetics are nice to have under any conditions but their advantages are overwhelming in cold climates.

Kaufman's book is well worth the money if you were thinking about buying it but haven't yet.
 
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Originally posted by JonS:
That would mean that all 5w30's will crank the same at -30c - right?

I used to think that the first number of 5 was directly linked to cold temp pumpability. It is NOT. Elsewhere on this board are comments about Castrol 5W50 in cold weather being too thick. Amsoil 10w30 flow rate at -20 is peachy, and I've seen sites that show flow of Amsoil 0w30 and 5w30 to be almost identical. I have bought (10+ years ago) Shell Super Plus Artic, "the oil that flows at 40 below" and that wasn't a zero - dubya.
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