Possible substitutions for Fram 10575?

[User_19876]

Thanks. Is the picture of the inside of the filter taken from the Core filter from Walmart, or is it the Titanium from AAP?

Walmart. I think I have a Titanium at the house. I’ll take a look in a bit.

 

[User_19876]

The Force, Drive, and Titanium all have what aapear to be the same yellow puck. Titanium pictured. The Drive has louvers. Not an e-core like so many in that series.

 

[MarvinTheAndroid]

The Force, Drive, and Titanium all have what aapear to be the same yellow puck. Titanium pictured. The Drive has louvers. Not an e-core like so many in that series.

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Thanks. Based on that, the Fram website, and any other websites that pull that info, seems be wrong as far as the bypass valve in the Titanium FS12750.

Another thing that's odd to me is that some of the cross reference sites, like https://www.oilfilter-crossreference.com/search/XG12750 , don't show anything about the 12750 filter. I looked up all of the 12750 model numbers there and it has nothing.

I don't explicitly trust AI summaries, but Google AI has this to say. For such a relatively large market segment, this filter seems to be relatively uncommon. The fact that we can still find them in stock after Fram's demise last year says they're not being bought up en masse.

 

[MarvinTheAndroid]

Digging through the Fram site and looking at various permutations, it seems like the only GM models that have the 10575/12750 crossover are these. I have no idea why Fram would release a whole new oil filter that basically duplicates the 10575 while still crossing to the OEM PF63. Maybe they released the 12750 back when the PF63 was still a low-bypass unit to address the need for a similar sized unit but having a high bypass pressure. As the PF63 changed over time into a high-bypass unit, the 10575 and 12750 converged?

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[MarvinTheAndroid]

Thanks for the picture. I was able to go to my local AAP and pick up the one Titanium FS12750 they had in stock and verify it has the yellow puck as the bypass valve too.

Just a thought. When the PF64 upgraded to a higher bypass pressure, it looks like Fram replaced the 10060 with the 12060. Maybe Fram did something similar and upgraded the 10575 with the 12750 when the PF63E was released.

The Force, Drive, and Titanium all have what aapear to be the same yellow puck. Titanium pictured. The Drive has louvers. Not an e-core like so many in that series.

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[MarvinTheAndroid]

Too late to edit my last post, so maybe Fram did this:

PF48 (9-15 psi bypass) => crosses to Fram 10060
Upgrade to PF48 released as the PF64 (22 psi bypass) => crosses to Fram 12060

Early PF63 (9-15 psi bypass) => crosses to early Fram 10575 (low bypass)
PF63E (E-core 22 psi bypass) released (around 2013-2014) => crosses to Fram 12750
PF63E renamed to the new PF63, stays a high-bypass unit => Fram 10575 is redesigned to track with the PF63
By that point, the 10575 and 12750 look nearly identical spec-wise and are noted as equivalents for cars that Fram had originally released the 12750 for.

At the same time, the PF64 and PF63E are treated by GM as functionally identical aside from size, and due to the size of the PF63E, certain PF63E engines are assembled with the PF64 due to assembly line space issues. These PF64's are flagged with a sticker instructing owner to replace with a PF63E at the first oil change.

 

[Hootbro]

Too late to edit my last post, so maybe Fram did this:

PF48 (9-15 psi bypass) => crosses to Fram 10060
Upgrade to PF48 released as the PF64 (22 psi bypass) => crosses to Fram 12060

Early PF63 (9-15 psi bypass) => crosses to early Fram 10575 (low bypass)
PF63E (E-core 22 psi bypass) released (around 2013-2014) => crosses to Fram 12750
PF63E renamed to the new PF63, stays a high-bypass unit => Fram 10575 is redesigned to track with the PF63
By that point, the 10575 and 12750 look nearly identical spec-wise and are noted as equivalents for cars that Fram had originally released the 12750 for.

At the same time, the PF64 and PF63E are treated by GM as functionally identical aside from size, and due to the size of the PF63E, certain PF63E engines are assembled with the PF64 due to assembly line space issues. These PF64's are flagged with a sticker instructing owner to replace with a PF63E at the first oil change.

 

[MarvinTheAndroid]

I think I've answered all of the questions I had; I just need to decide if I'm brave enough install the 12750 in place of my 10575 or 12060 next time around and put my conclusions to the test.

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[MarvinTheAndroid]

Thought I'd throw this on the end of the thread to show I'm not imagining it. The AAF site won't show the 12750 as an option for the 2017 Traverse, but if you explicitly search for the 12750, it says it's a match.

 

[BigBear4583]

Hi all, like many of you, my local retailers are running low on oil filters for my 2017 Traverse LS. The stock filter is AC Delco PF63, and I've been using the upper-tier Frams in the 10575 family for years, like the Ultra Synthetic, Synthetic Endurance, and Titanium. No one around me has any of the Fram 10575 family in stock. Supplies of the Mobil 212A are dwindling, and my local Walmarts don't have a lot of PF63's in stock and don't carry many WIX or Purolator filters. I'd rather buy local if I can at all help it.

This is the filter called for on the Ford 5.0. I use the FL-820s equivalent from time to time, which is called for on some of the mustang applications. It has the same PSI and hold a bit more oil. (ST2, PH2, Wix51372, etc.) Not sure you have the clearance in the traverse, but I've been happy with it when needed, or when the filter quality appeared better than whatever version of the 10575 was available.

 

[avg2424]

I'm in the same boat, Fram was my go to disposable filter. I came here in search of a new brand and was disappointed to find there were issues with bypass valves and construction quality with other filters. I won't buy Mobil due to a bad filter I got once, can't trust them because of that, even though they gave me my money back after I sent the filter back to them.

I know this is going to get hate because the guys here don't like them, but I've been running a reusable filter from pure power for several years with no issues except for a leaky external o-ring once. The only thing that sucks is cleaning it and the price. Other than that, I feel they do a great job at filtering and I don't have to worry about bypass valve issues. I would alternate between throw away and the pure power filter when I didn't feel like cleaning it during the oil change.
I've had them on a motorcycle and currently a ford. Ford has 235k miles on it, sold the bike a long time ago. The ford has a notoriously bad internal water pump so the engine was opened up to replace it and there was minimal wear. Keep in mind I use Royal Purple 5w30 and change every 3k miles. Also own a Tahoe that uses the same size (10575).

Seeing as filter quality has gone down in recent years and currently nothing seems all too great, I'm going to buy another for the Tahoe and buy a spare filter media to always have a clean one on hand.
I am prepared to be berated for my choice, but I can't argue with my experience with that filter so far.

 

[ZeeOSix]

I won't buy Mobil due to a bad filter I got once, can't trust them because of that, even though they gave me my money back after I sent the filter back to them.

The Mobil 1 oil filters made today are better construction and production quality than they use to be.

 

[avg2424]

The Mobil 1 oil filters made today are better construction and production quality than they use to be.

Once bit, twice shy.
I see they're made by Highline Warren now and I like a couple of their brands, but still...

Seems like Mann+Hummel make the other filters that were having bypass and quality issues.

We'll see how Premium Guard does with their First Brands (Fram) acquisition

 

[danstraylee]

PF63 has served me well over the years. I don't get going with anything else.

 

[johnachak]

Hi all, like many of you, my local retailers are running low on oil filters for my 2017 Traverse LS. The stock filter is AC Delco PF63, and I've been using the upper-tier Frams in the 10575 family for years, like the Ultra Synthetic, Synthetic Endurance, and Titanium. No one around me has any of the Fram 10575 family in stock. Supplies of the Mobil 212A are dwindling, and my local Walmarts don't have a lot of PF63's in stock and don't carry many WIX or Purolator filters. I'd rather buy local if I can at all help it.

Having said that, I noticed that there's still quite a few Fram XG12750 filters still in stock around here in the Atlanta metro area.

I started looking up what the 12750 fits, and here's where it gets interesting to me.

Cross reference info from many sources around the 'net.


2017 Traverse LLT 3.6
~22 psi bypass pressure
AC Delco PF63
Fram 10575 family
Baldwin B7449
Mobil 212A
Wix 10255 family
etc

2020 Traverse LFY 3.6
~22 psi bypass pressure
Fram 10575 family
Fram 12750 family
AC Delco PF63
Baldwin B7449
Mobil 212A
Wix 10255 family
etc

Fram's site says that the 2017 Traverse can use the 10575 family, and the 2020 Traverse can use either the 10575 or 12750 family.

My question to the more knowledgeable members is, does this data suggest that the Fram 12750 might be a useful filter substitute for the 1st gen Traverse/Acadia/etc? Or maybe a general replacement for the 10575 in other applications, space permitting?

Note: Fram's site does say something very odd though. For all of the 12750 family, all of them show an integrated bypass valve, EXCEPT the Titanium FS12750. Typo? Deliberate? I don't know. I tried a chat on their site for technical info, and they say they'll respond with more info. I'll update this post if more data comes in.

TIA,
Brian

I just use the pf63 in my 2017 Traverse. Cheap enough at Rockauto.com. I buy 3 or 4 at a time since my SIlverado uses the same filter.