Plastic to fuel “recycling “ slowly coming on line

[Rmay635703]

After having done a small amount of plastic to diesel in college I’m surprised it’s taken this long to happen considering I could make a gallon of diesel for $0.99 of electricity with some co2, methane and carbon black left with little else.

https://www.nhmunicipal.org/town-ci...cling-plastic-–-overview-lessons-other-states

But as usual folks that are fine with 5% of plastic being recycled resulting with most of it in the water are freaking out and exaggerating the horrors of low temperature pyrolysis of plastic.

The issues they are presenting like dioxin, extreme pollution , etc are only associated with #3 vinyl and to a lesser extent the exotic #7’s and #1’s which are never used in these systems.

Why are these mental midgets opposing solutions that actually work and are better than sending the plastic overseas into the ocean?

If we truly are just throwing vinyl siding into the bin why don’t they separate the crap out as has been done for decades?

You really gotta wonder what these guys motivations really are if we truly can’t do literally the easiest thing in the world because it’s hard to separate plastic.

Mechanical recycling has been a total failure and 100% elimination of all plastic also never happens, seems like we are choosing dumping it in the ocean over taking 99 cents of electricity to make a gallon of diesel.

 

[Boomer]

Ah, the ignorance of science! You make a good case for everyone being required to take a year of organic chemistry!!!!

 

[shortyb]

Why are these mental midgets opposing solutions that actually work and are better than sending the plastic overseas into the ocean?

You really gotta wonder what these guys motivations really are if we truly can’t do literally the easiest thing in the world because it’s hard to separate plastic.

Because it's easier to b i t chicken for a "cause" and appear to be more righteous than everyone else than it is to do something sensible about it. Can be said for quite a few things really.

Good on you for being industrious. THATS what we need.

 

[Cheetah-kins]

The apparent issue of separating plastics at the consumer level being impossible to implement is one example I often think is why ultimately mankind will perish, in the sense people in the future will have a world with few animals, almost no sea life, and ruined forests and water and air. The reality is everyone cares about the environment until it inconveniences them in any way. Just as people sit in their running vehicles every day at schools waiting for their kids to come out, or drive across their apt complex to get their mail, or buy behemoth size trucks and SUVs because they 'need them' the planet is being (not so) slowly destroyed. Add to that low Earth orbit being absolutely decimated with millions of pieces of space junk growing daily, and 3rd world countries developing up to US levels of industry and pollution like China and India. Basically the natural environment doesn't stand a chance. Sounds cynical but it is our future, imho.

 

[SHOZ]

I worked for a water bottler that recycled all their plastic and reused t. The caps and bottles need separating. And the recycled plastics could only be about 5% of the mix or the bottles collapsed.

I say the best solution for plastic is to bury it in landfalls.

 

[tmorris1]

We are probably at a net loss for energy and earth saving by recycling. All the money and energy that is spent moving this recycled plastic to a place that eventually will be burned or thrown into a landfill/ocean anyway. I talked to a guy that works for a garbage hauler and he said that much of their plastic ends up in an incinerator at a power plant when there is too much or no market for it.

 

[Pew]

Lack of future planning and money; keep building with no plan for waste and disposal. Luckily we're slowly changing with requirements for disposal and other known environmental concerns but the scope of the issue is too great for the current environmental industry.

Then you get the group of people who think being environmentally conscience is a hippy thing

If people want to keep burying their waste or dumping it in the Ocean, that's fine. My company can keep winning these $10 million projects for MGP and landfill remediations at the cost of taxpayers.

 

[tmorris1]

Lack of future planning and money; keep building with no plan for waste and disposal. Luckily we're slowly changing with requirements for disposal and other known environmental concerns but the scope of the issue is too great for the current environmental industry.

Then you get the group of people who think being environmentally conscience is a hippy thing

If people want to keep burying their waste or dumping it in the Ocean, that's fine. My company can keep winning these $10 million projects for MGP and landfill remediations at the cost of taxpayers.

So what does your company do? Dig up the plastic and recycle it?

 

[wpod]

After having done a small amount of plastic to diesel in college I’m surprised it’s taken this long to happen considering I could make a gallon of diesel for $0.99 of electricity with some co2, methane and carbon black left with little else.

https://www.nhmunicipal.org/town-ci...cling-plastic-–-overview-lessons-other-states

But as usual folks that are fine with 5% of plastic being recycled resulting with most of it in the water are freaking out and exaggerating the horrors of low temperature pyrolysis of plastic.

The issues they are presenting like dioxin, extreme pollution , etc are only associated with #3 vinyl and to a lesser extent the exotic #7’s and #1’s which are never used in these systems.

Why are these mental midgets opposing solutions that actually work and are better than sending the plastic overseas into the ocean?

If we truly are just throwing vinyl siding into the bin why don’t they separate the crap out as has been done for decades?

You really gotta wonder what these guys motivations really are if we truly can’t do literally the easiest thing in the world because it’s hard to separate plastic.

Mechanical recycling has been a total failure and 100% elimination of all plastic also never happens, seems like we are choosing dumping it in the ocean over taking 99 cents of electricity to make a gallon of diesel.

Who is the we dumping plastics in the ocean?

 

[Pew]

So what does your company do? Dig up the plastic and recycle it?

I'm not in that department so I don't know the gritty details but we mainly do record keeping, air and soil monitoring for remediation; pretty much to make sure nothing is leaking and is at acceptable levels. I think non-acceptable landfills get mined out, installed with modern liners and techniques, then filled back in. The MGP sites get excavated and the contaminated dirt gets hauled away somewhere. We also do Industrial Hygiene, so asbestos and lead stuff. As far as I know asbestos just gets disposed to landfills despite it's ability to suspend in air for long times and cause cancer.

 

[Rmay635703]

Who is the we dumping plastics in the ocean?

Do you want the who dumps by percentage or just in general?

The answer is Everyone, to reduce plastic use everything from plastic bags to car panels are being made lighter every year, so light that the act of binning, collecting,bailing and transporting looses a fairly large percentage of the waste which almost always ends up in waterways.

The further plastic is transported the more that disappears. The US trade imbalance and free shipping used to result in it going towards China with some still going that direction. Europe oddly had a lot of spillage even though they make attempts to bail because the stuff ages and travels so far a bunch pops out and sheds off.

And the above is best case and not including when the wrong thing is done on purpose including entities that get paid to take trash that just locate it near water for extended periods.

 

[oil pan 4]

Who is the we dumping plastics in the ocean?

Asia and Africa mostly.

 

[Rmay635703]

Recycling

One more decycler is online

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mexican-startup-tackles-plastic-waste-050329687.html

Cheap, extremely clean, no need to worry about contamination and the fuel is sulphur free , too bad we are too backwards to clean the environment and save money

Gotta wonder why the experts are sour grapes pretending it will be a catastrophe because someone will decide to recycle #3 vinyl without separating, I’ve never had any vinyl item I wanted to toss before, so not sure why that’s the only thing they think will happen.

 

[97prizm]

After having done a small amount of plastic to diesel in college I’m surprised it’s taken this long to happen considering I could make a gallon of diesel for $0.99 of electricity with some co2, methane and carbon black left with little else.

https://www.nhmunicipal.org/town-ci...cling-plastic-–-overview-lessons-other-states

But as usual folks that are fine with 5% of plastic being recycled resulting with most of it in the water are freaking out and exaggerating the horrors of low temperature pyrolysis of plastic.

The issues they are presenting like dioxin, extreme pollution , etc are only associated with #3 vinyl and to a lesser extent the exotic #7’s and #1’s which are never used in these systems.

Why are these mental midgets opposing solutions that actually work and are better than sending the plastic overseas into the ocean?

If we truly are just throwing vinyl siding into the bin why don’t they separate the crap out as has been done for decades?

You really gotta wonder what these guys motivations really are if we truly can’t do literally the easiest thing in the world because it’s hard to separate plastic.

Mechanical recycling has been a total failure and 100% elimination of all plastic also never happens, seems like we are choosing dumping it in the ocean over taking 99 cents of electricity to make a gallon of diesel.

I've heard of getting oil out of tires and recycling the steel belts, but how do you get diesel out of plastic? Can you get jet-A as well since it's a lighter petroleum product and is pulled of higher up in the hydrocracking stage?

 

[Pablo]

I've heard of getting oil out of tires and recycling the steel belts, but how do you get diesel out of plastic? Can you get jet-A as well since it's a lighter petroleum product and is pulled of higher up in the hydrocracking stage?

Need detailed energy calculations

 

[4wd]

Companies can do allot more - closer and closer to the building blocks … but they don’t do the collection part … Then if they have deep pockets - get sued …
Expect XOM to abandon efforts after lawsuits …

 

[kschachn]

I've heard of getting oil out of tires and recycling the steel belts, but how do you get diesel out of plastic? Can you get jet-A as well since it's a lighter petroleum product and is pulled of higher up in the hydrocracking stage?

Given enough time, money, effort and energy input you can get any hydrocarbon you want from any hydrocarbon source.

 

[Pablo]

Pyrolysis of any plastic can work but it’s not necessarily clean, or efficient

 

[Rmay635703]

Pyrolysis of any plastic can work but it’s not necessarily clean, or efficient

Leave out the exotic like Vinyl and it is cleaner by a long stretch than refining crude. It is self feeding in that the byproducts created feed the process.
It’s also sulphur free if the food and bio contaminants aren’t left in

There are also diy home versions to make plastic fuel at home 99 cents a gallon

 

[Pablo]

Leave out the exotic like Vinyl and it is cleaner by a long stretch than refining crude. It is self feeding in that the byproducts created feed the process.

There are also diy home versions to make plastic fuel at home 99 cents a gallon

Link for DIY? Interested!