pinging, what to check for now?

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I just put in new plugs, wires, cap, rotor, and coil on my 5.7L in my 98 chevy truck. I also use FP on a regular basis. My truck still pings and it seems like it is getting worse. Is there like a shock dose of FP I can use or what else should I look at that could be causing this? I also have no SES light or codes stored. Thanks.

Wayne
 
OK I didn't know they were still using a distributor in '98. Not a bad thing mind you, just unexpected. Truck small blocks must have been diffrtent that year. On to the heart of the matter: How much pinging? Under what conditions? What grade of gasoline? Engine temp related? Oil consumption? Bad knock (or other type) sensor "should" set a troble code but that isn't always the case. Are you sure it's spark knock and not some other mechanical noise. As a diagnostic: If a load of premium makes the pinging decrease then spark knock is confirmed. Slight knock at part throttle is of little consequence. However heavy knocking at full throttle can damage expensive things in a hurry. I also agree with Steve S comments. And check the wiring to the knock sensor. It may have simply came unplugged. If I remember correctly both of my L99's sensors are located at the front of the heads. Good luck... Rickey.
 
You can also check for an air leak on your intake tract. Make sure everything is good and tight.

Generally, the introduction of unmetered air (assuming your truck has an airflow sensor sensor) can lean-out the mixture and cause knocking.
 
I posted some time back that FP seemed to increase ignition related noises in my 98 4.3L V6 (same engine, 2 less cylinders).

Using gumout regane, a full bottle in a half tank (maybe less in the tank for your truck, since the tank is bigger) made it go away, and a slight shake at idle go away too.

I like FP, and havent seen this elsewhere, but I get a sound in the engien ONLY when FP is used. Straight gas is OK... the sound, even though my tank had a regular shot of FP in it at the time I put in the gumout regane, went away shortly after putting the regane in. After using the fuel, and going back to a tank of fuel with FP in it, made the sound come back.

I like FP, use it in all the vehicles I am related with, including my parents', but have to cut back on FP in the chevy! Ill do about 0.5 or 1 oz/10 gals.

JMH
 
Pinging can be the result of;
bad gas (may be the result of local EPA laws)
bad timing
ERG problems
computer problems
faulty distrubutor
worn timing chain

I know someone that spend a lot of money changing things himself and the pinging did not stop. Took it to a mechanic and they found that something in the distributor was cracked. Once a new distibutor was in, the pinging was greatly reduced. But it may never completly go away.

I have no idea what FP is.

Quote from my Chevy Owners manual

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A little pinging noise when you accelerate or drive uphill is considered normal. This does not indicate a problem exists or that a higher-octane fuel is necessary. If you are using 87 octane or higher-octane fuel and hear heavy knocking, your engine needs service.
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[ March 22, 2005, 10:47 AM: Message edited by: Mike ]
 
Thanks for all of the replies and suggestions. Truck pings under initial acceleration and going up hills. The noise is a light noise, not heavy. I notice it more when the truck is warmed up. I use 87 octane which is what the manual specifies. I have not tried higher octane because I want to get to the root of the problem and not bandaid it. The truck did not ping when it was newer.

I will check the connection to the knock sensor. I know its hooked up but it may be dirty. I guess some of my other sensors could be going out of specs but are not enough out to set the SES light off. Thanks again for the suggestions.

Wayne
 
Try some combustion chamber cleaner. Most likely the culprit is carbon buildup in the combustion chamber. I started experiencing some pinging during the same conditions as you with my Jeep Grand Cherokee. Switching from 87 to 89 may reduce your pinging but doesn't eliminate it from my experience. My pinging finally totally went away with even using 87 by using a can of Mopar Combustion Chamber Cleaner....great stuff. 7 bucks for a can at the Chrysler dealer. Going on 30K plus miles after using it and have not had any pinging using 89 whatsoever. I should mention that I have been using Redline Complete Fuel System Cleaner every so often to continue keeping it clean...probably once every 7K miles or so.

You'll need:
1 can of Mopar Combustion Chamber Cleaner (available at local Chrysler dealer...7 bucks a can)
Toothbrush
Clean rag

Don't follow the directions on the can, doesn't work well.
(Instead, Follow These Directions):

Start the engine and let it idle or take your ride out for a drive until it reaches normal operating temperature (engine should be hot). Turn off engine. Remove the air hose from the throttle body. With engine OFF, spray some Mopar CCC onto throttle plate(not too much) and linkage and clean off carbon using a small tooth brush (make sure you clean the bottom of the throttle plate as well). Wipe off dissolved carbon with clean rag (should shine like new). Start the engine (make sure it's hot) and spray the entire can of Mopar CCC into the throttle body (the intake manifold vacuum will suck it in). You may have smoke coming out of the tailpipe during this, and your idle may drop or even try to stall (this is normal). It’s important NOT to rev the engine during this but to keep a steady idle around 1000-1200 RPM by controlling the idle with your hand on the throttle body spring pack (a glove may come in handy since the throttle spring pack may be hot). When can is empty, shut off the engine IMMEDIATELY. Wait 20 minutes for the cleaner to soak. While waiting, reconnect the air hose to the throttle body. Start the engine (may need to fire it up a few times) and DO NOT let it just sit and idle once it's started or else the carbon will just re-cook in your engine. Rather, rev the engine to 3000-3500 RPM's 10-15 times. Again, don't be surprised if you see A LOT of smoke, especially white smoke...it's normal. Take it out for a ride and drive the heck out of it for a few minutes. This will do a good job of cleaning out any excess carbon from the engine. I like to use a can of Redline Complete Fuel System Cleaner shortly after, like the next day, to further clean and condition the combustion chamber, pistons, valves, fuel system...all that jazz. Try that, post your results. Good Luck.
 
Well, my pinging has seemed to get better. I don't know if its because the truck's computer has finally adjusted to the new tune-up parts or the bottle of Chevron Techron concentrate that I used. I used the Techron because I found a TSB on the ALLdata website that said the GM fuel system cleaner(which is the same thing as Chevron Techron) is the only cleaner that works on the fuel injection system on my truck.

I've used FP on a regular basis and it didn't do anything for the ping but the Techron seemed to help. I guess time will tell.

Wayne
 
I would check your rad cap.

The stock AC delco rad caps don't seal properly and allow the engine to get hotter than they should be.

I had a pinging problem and this fixed it.

Replace it with a stant and maybe get a full cooling system flush.
 
You shouldn't need to run anything other than regular fuel. I have driven my 96 5.7L down to low elevations in 100degree heat on 85 octane. Go to someone that has a scanner and see what your timing is set at. Could be too high. There are 3 5.7s in my family and none of them have had problems on 85 octane.
 
Have your truck scanned for any error codes. It should not have audible pinging at all.

-T
 
I had a ping condition that started after reprogramming the PCM on my 98 Ford Taurus. The only thing that ever cured it was the auto-rx?
Don't ask me how it worked. I tried and had just about everything done to it and nothing worked. I did notice that the pinging is coming back.

I am trying to use a maintenance dose of auto-rx to see if it can hold the pinging at bay. The auto-rx must have cleaned the carbon out of the combustion chamber. I had tried combustion chamber cleaners and water and everything under the sun and none worked.

It might be worth a try, clean the engine and maybe it will help the ping condition as well.
 
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