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PHEV vs full EV, which is right for you?
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You can always drive a rental car with a gas engine! Nobody bans you from renting a car other than your wallet and your lack of a driver's license (even an international driver's license if you must).
People who rode horses back in the days were probably complaining about cars not get them to a mountain trail or a train won't get them around after they get off the station with the "last mile" problem we have today. However trains have taken over the long distance travel shortly after the railroad was built.
There's a difference between 1. I found something else easier to do so I'll do that instead, and 2. I can't get there because people won't let me. Don't mix up the two.
For the 1 car plan, a PHEV is pretty hard to beat. With 2 cars we could do an EV for local stuff and a PHEV for long distance. EV's should become cheaper than PHEV's eventually with far less stuff going on under the hood, but I guess for the moment its the battery cost per KWH that's keeping the prices similar.
Depends... A friend bought a big ol' Suburban to pull his boat to the lake. I asked him how often he went to the lake. "Once a year." When is the last time ypu went? "2 years ago."
Between the boat and SUV, he was spending some bucks!
Before the pandemic, I often rent cars for $50-60 a day as needed, maybe 3 times a year.
Crew cabs / SUVs that cost 50k and 20mpg isn't?
My point is, people buy what make sense for them and for a lot of people 1 EV out of the entire family fleet make sense.
Very bad ROI.
Then leave it up to the individual to decide instead of cramming it down peoples throats. Free market. What a concept.
A free market would like to do emissions delete and roll coal, and run stupid bright LED headlights on jacked up vehicles. While insisting bald tires are safe in winter weather. Or have kept leaded gas and carbs around because “they work”.
What about science?
Science is not exact either just like medicine.
I’m still waiting for the ice age that was predicted 50 years ago to hit at the start of this millennium.
So you turn your back on it? Do you not go to or listen to Doctors?
"Science is not exact either just like medicine."
Of course not; that would assume perfect knowledge and a static universe.
Science is man's endless search for truth in nature.
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Free market includes NIMBY. Like, people do not want to smell power plant in their neighborhood and do not want loud exhaust, diesel fume, lead in the air, soot, etc. Oh, that also include wealthy people lobbying to ban poor people cars (like those without working brake lights or "rusty" in their neighborhood or working on the car on the street.
We do have free market (lobbying and voting are free market as well), just as always the haves always are more free than the have not, as it has always been throughout history. It is humanity and cannot be fixed.
Horses didn't get banned on the road, they just couldn't compete with cars once they became cheaper. EVs now cannot compete with ICE cars but one day it may, and the funny marketing math says it would be by 2030 if you believe it. I'm not sure about that but it is possible if they do the battery swap and lease thing and have battery charging off peak and keep swapping them on road trips.
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Science allowed men to fly, put men on the moon, probes throughout and beyond our solar system and vehicles on Mars ... among a 1000 other things. I'd say science is exact enough for now ... and will always get better with time, just like it has ever since the first humans used scientific methodology to figure out and control what's going on around them.
But it changes. We are taught that science is exact but as time goes on we find out that it changes as it understands things better. I don’t call that exact.
Pluto was a planet. I learned that in grade school. Then suddenly it’s not.
Well, I've never been taught that "science is always exact". Any real scientist knows that not all science is exact, and some are pretty close, or are exact. Not all science is created the same. Just because some science isn't exact doesn't mean all science is inexact.
Nothing is exact without perfect knowledge.
50 + 50 = 100, right? Not always...
If you add 50 mL of water to 50 mL of water you get 100 mL of water. Similarly, if you add 50 mL of ethanol (alcohol) to 50 mL of ethanol you get 100 mL of ethanol. But, if you mix 50 mL of water and 50 mL of ethanol you get approximately 96 mL of liquid, not 100 mL.
50 + 50 = 100, right? Not always...
If you add 50 mL of water to 50 mL of water you get 100 mL of water. Similarly, if you add 50 mL of ethanol (alcohol) to 50 mL of ethanol you get 100 mL of ethanol. But, if you mix 50 mL of water and 50 mL of ethanol you get approximately 96 mL of liquid, not 100 mL.
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to get this a bit back on track...
we're now in the PHEV club. Honestly I always thought of these as "worst of both worlds" sorta thing, but my wife test drove a Volvo XC60 T8, used, and loved it. The reality is that most of our trips are either less than 15 miles, except for the three 1,000 mile trips (each way) we take every year and a couple of other road trips (traveling w/dogs, flying just isn't an option). So honestly, it works perfectly for us.
One benefit is that I've always had a "3 mile rule". If it's less than 3 miles, I ride my bike or walk. I can back off of that just a bit now knowing that I'm not starting the ICE--both for eco reasons and of course, fuel dilution concerns like all bitog'rs... I actually drove for an errand the other day that was about a mile away. It was pretty cool! I'll still mostly go by bike, since it removes parking from the equation and I just prefer that over sitting in a car, but it's nice to have that option.
So, PHEV, not for everyone--but as mentioned if it fits your use case it can be awesome.
we're now in the PHEV club. Honestly I always thought of these as "worst of both worlds" sorta thing, but my wife test drove a Volvo XC60 T8, used, and loved it. The reality is that most of our trips are either less than 15 miles, except for the three 1,000 mile trips (each way) we take every year and a couple of other road trips (traveling w/dogs, flying just isn't an option). So honestly, it works perfectly for us.
One benefit is that I've always had a "3 mile rule". If it's less than 3 miles, I ride my bike or walk. I can back off of that just a bit now knowing that I'm not starting the ICE--both for eco reasons and of course, fuel dilution concerns like all bitog'rs... I actually drove for an errand the other day that was about a mile away. It was pretty cool! I'll still mostly go by bike, since it removes parking from the equation and I just prefer that over sitting in a car, but it's nice to have that option.
So, PHEV, not for everyone--but as mentioned if it fits your use case it can be awesome.
Back on off topic, Pluto is a planet still, a dwarf one. This is what grades K-4 learn about Pluto. I ran to the internet to find out. So it is really English that’s the imprecise thing. What I am interested in is it takes almost 4 1/2 hrs for light from Pluto to arrive at Earth. So looking at it in a telescope from Earth, it’s not seen in the same place it actually is. Looking at what it was.
https://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/k-4/stories/nasa-knows/what-is-pluto-k4.html
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