Didn't know they were joined in the first place. But the car makers have these weird relationships.
Ferrari splits from Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (FCA).
Ferrari splits from Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (FCA).
Perrari breaks from Fiat Chrysler
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Personally, I'm glad. The last thing the F1 grid needs are so many large companies that are one boardroom meeting away from leaving the grid. Ferrari on its own is a lot less likely to do that than a Ferrari that's part of Fiat-Chrysler. But, what will Sergio Marchionne do when the F1 season starts up? He'll be bored, or just have to attend anyhow.
I thought that had already been done, the Ferrari fans on a local car group were all up in arms about it last summer. Its not that they exactly liked FCA, but they liked its deep pockets and felt like Ferrari was being kicked to the curb in favor of the more profitable marques.
They were talking about it for a while, 440Magnum; it just finally happened. It certainly did take a while.
They are kicking Ferrari to the curb for Maserati.
They are going to screw Ferrari basically.
High end cars are brand halo's they don't make money and Ferrari is not a brand you can bring down market to sell in any kind of volume. IE making a $60k SUV will ruin the brand, heck making any car under $200k is a bad idea for them, as is making to many.
Maserati OTOH has the potential with enough investment to have a full line of cars from $30k-$100k just like Porsche, BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, etc. It also has the right name to play in the $100k-$250k+ market so they can move up to halo cars as well.
FCA is trimming the herd.
They are going to screw Ferrari basically.
High end cars are brand halo's they don't make money and Ferrari is not a brand you can bring down market to sell in any kind of volume. IE making a $60k SUV will ruin the brand, heck making any car under $200k is a bad idea for them, as is making to many.
Maserati OTOH has the potential with enough investment to have a full line of cars from $30k-$100k just like Porsche, BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, etc. It also has the right name to play in the $100k-$250k+ market so they can move up to halo cars as well.
FCA is trimming the herd.
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I would recommend that FCA concentrate on their bread-and-butter vehicles that are a little underwhelming at this point (and not receiving very good reliability ratings). I've driven the new Jeeps and a couple of the Chrysler sedans. For the money, there are better choices. Time will tell...
They are doing what their investors expect them to do. In short terms they will make money with this move, but Ferrari can't make it on their own for long.
Most of Ferrari's high tech suppliers are FIAT owned (Magneti Marelli).
In five years they will announce that merging is on the way again. Just like when Enzo put a knife in a Fords back in the 70s, two seconds before deal was done.
Most of Ferrari's high tech suppliers are FIAT owned (Magneti Marelli).
In five years they will announce that merging is on the way again. Just like when Enzo put a knife in a Fords back in the 70s, two seconds before deal was done.
"The Italians are coming, the Italians are coming." And look what showed up. The Fiat 500 POP. What else do you need to know?
Also the Ghibli, Alfa 4C, and the 200...
Originally Posted By: chrisri
Most of Ferrari's high tech suppliers are FIAT owned (Magneti Marelli).
Not for long according to these reports:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-magneti-marelli-fiat-m-a-idUSKCN0PR1YJ20150717
Sergio is selling off the company to slow the circling of the drain.
Most of Ferrari's high tech suppliers are FIAT owned (Magneti Marelli).
Not for long according to these reports:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-magneti-marelli-fiat-m-a-idUSKCN0PR1YJ20150717
Sergio is selling off the company to slow the circling of the drain.
Now the Viper will be free to flex its muscles. It's been limited to not beat the F12.
Fiat has owned 50% of Ferrari since 1969 and bought another 40% in 1988. Their ownership was not new.
The Viper and Ferrari don't compete. No one cross shops a Viper to an F12, different markets.
What does the Viper compete with anyway other than maybe a few Corvette models? Its kind of sitting in its own little $120k muscle car market.
What does the Viper compete with anyway other than maybe a few Corvette models? Its kind of sitting in its own little $120k muscle car market.
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Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
The Viper and Ferrari don't compete. No one cross shops a Viper to an F12, different markets.
What does the Viper compete with anyway other than maybe a few Corvette models? Its kind of sitting in its own little $120k muscle car market.
http://dodgeforum.com/articles/new-srt-viper-acr-to-be-limited-by-ferrari-management/
The Viper and Ferrari don't compete. No one cross shops a Viper to an F12, different markets.
What does the Viper compete with anyway other than maybe a few Corvette models? Its kind of sitting in its own little $120k muscle car market.
http://dodgeforum.com/articles/new-srt-viper-acr-to-be-limited-by-ferrari-management/
The point stands. Ferrari wanted to have the better specs vs a lowly Dodge and I don't blame them.
Nobody is cross-shopping the Viper, Corvette, Ford GT (past or future) and Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren, etc.
Same way nobody is cross shopping Veyrons and Hellcats.
Nobody is cross-shopping the Viper, Corvette, Ford GT (past or future) and Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren, etc.
Same way nobody is cross shopping Veyrons and Hellcats.
I made a statement, and I backed it up with fact. That's all.
That Dodge must not be that lowly if it puts a spook on the F12 team.
That Dodge must not be that lowly if it puts a spook on the F12 team.
Look at it this way, DoubleWasp. Would Chevrolet permit a basic, cheap Camaro SS to "beat" a Vette? We darned well know it could happen, particularly if someone got a bee in their bonnet and tried to make a Camaro SS with a bunch of deleted content, for instance.
A Vette and a Camaro have different target markets, too.
No one at Fiat would want a Viper performing "better" than a new Ferrari - I'd agree with that sentiment. All it would cause is a bunch of car magazines making fun, though, since most of us can afford neither. It's a prestige thing.
No one at Fiat would want a Viper performing "better" than a new Ferrari - I'd agree with that sentiment. All it would cause is a bunch of car magazines making fun, though, since most of us can afford neither. It's a prestige thing.
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I made a statement, and I backed it up with fact. That's all.
That Dodge must not be that lowly if it puts a spook on the F12 team.
Never mind the facts. The anti Mopar guy has spoken, and he has all the facts he needs...
I made a statement, and I backed it up with fact. That's all.
That Dodge must not be that lowly if it puts a spook on the F12 team.
Never mind the facts. The anti Mopar guy has spoken, and he has all the facts he needs...
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