Like Q said, not worth the trouble. They will probably feel a little silly at some point when everyone gives them the same fix. Either that or they'll feel pretty bad when their engine blows up from overheating. As frustrating as it probably was (and funny!) you gotta feel a little sorry for folks who are this way. They must lead a very hard life not listening to others who try to help.
People that have no clue.
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I have wondered many times how some idiots exist in life and how they have managed to get by in the adult world. The scenario presented is not just ignorance about cars, but pretty much life in general.
Had a kid (mid 20's?) come in with loss of power and blowing white smoke. There had been a recall on his pickup due to a possible faulty injector. He thought that this would be his free ride to a new motor. Admittedly, he could not recall the last time he had changed his oil. His seven quart sump was down to two quarts. We politely explained that the injector would be taken care of but that the knocking in his engine was due to lack of maintenance. Luckily for him, with about $500 out of pocket, he was able to get back on the road and the engine did not seem to knock when it left. The $500 did not begin to touch all of the other neglected maintenance issues that should have been addressed.
Had a kid (mid 20's?) come in with loss of power and blowing white smoke. There had been a recall on his pickup due to a possible faulty injector. He thought that this would be his free ride to a new motor. Admittedly, he could not recall the last time he had changed his oil. His seven quart sump was down to two quarts. We politely explained that the injector would be taken care of but that the knocking in his engine was due to lack of maintenance. Luckily for him, with about $500 out of pocket, he was able to get back on the road and the engine did not seem to knock when it left. The $500 did not begin to touch all of the other neglected maintenance issues that should have been addressed.
Stay in this business long enough, and you'll meet some that will make these heater customers seem like rocket scientists.
Many years ago I was a salesperson, and priced a guy a truck we had in stock that no one else in the area had. A basic AT, AC, PS, PB, AM radio truck. Solid paint. About $299 over invoice, which no one at that time would beat.
Couldn't get him on the phone for 3 days to follow up. Then he drives up at the dealership in a new truck from another dealer. He comes in with a smile a mile wide, and says "I beat your deal $300!" I congratulate him on his good fortune, and walk him out to his truck. As he opens the door to get in, I see his great deal has no air conditioning, a $750 option at that time.
I explain to him that he just paid $300 less for $750 less truck in an area where the heat index routinely reaches 110 degrees in the summer, and the humidity is so high in the winter, the defroster needs to run the a/c as well to clear the windows. (He bought the truck in December). He left with a slightly smaller smile on his face than the one he drove up with.
Many years ago I was a salesperson, and priced a guy a truck we had in stock that no one else in the area had. A basic AT, AC, PS, PB, AM radio truck. Solid paint. About $299 over invoice, which no one at that time would beat.
Couldn't get him on the phone for 3 days to follow up. Then he drives up at the dealership in a new truck from another dealer. He comes in with a smile a mile wide, and says "I beat your deal $300!" I congratulate him on his good fortune, and walk him out to his truck. As he opens the door to get in, I see his great deal has no air conditioning, a $750 option at that time.
I explain to him that he just paid $300 less for $750 less truck in an area where the heat index routinely reaches 110 degrees in the summer, and the humidity is so high in the winter, the defroster needs to run the a/c as well to clear the windows. (He bought the truck in December). He left with a slightly smaller smile on his face than the one he drove up with.
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Hello, I agree with the direction of this thread. People are indeed so very stupid it's scary. Here's just one angle: If people can be so stupid (and yes, these animals vote and reproduce) do you think they can handle concepts like nutrition or health maintenance? It's really sad. Kira
Well, at some point, a dumb person's incompetence hinders his/her ability to realize that they are incompetent and the need to defer to others.
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Originally Posted By: 91344George
@Chris142:
You're not making this up are you?
Wow the idiot factor is increasing in the US by the freaking MINUTE...
This country is in real danger of sinking into the depths of third world despair ....
The fact is we are actually no longer an actual "nation" as defined by the Webster dictionary. Nothing more than a polyglot now..divided and soon to be conquered.
Sad. But reality.
++1 They can vote tho. John--Las Vegas.
People that clueless likely won't...
I'd have charged them 20 bucks to explain to them how the "heater" works in a car.
Originally Posted By: 91344George
@Chris142:
You're not making this up are you?
Wow the idiot factor is increasing in the US by the freaking MINUTE...
This country is in real danger of sinking into the depths of third world despair ....
The fact is we are actually no longer an actual "nation" as defined by the Webster dictionary. Nothing more than a polyglot now..divided and soon to be conquered.
Sad. But reality.
++1 They can vote tho. John--Las Vegas.
People that clueless likely won't...
I'd have charged them 20 bucks to explain to them how the "heater" works in a car.
PS, I like your posts Chris; you keep it real.
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Fun post but really sad just how dumb most folks are. Disgusting really.
And there is no end to it, besides allowing self-destructive, stupid behavior to thin the herd a bit.
And there is no end to it, besides allowing self-destructive, stupid behavior to thin the herd a bit.
by now im sure the heads are warped and they will say you did it...We did an engine in July on a 2002 nissan and were told that we burned out his left signal light!
I told him that it was not our fault that his rear signal light burned out but i fixed it anyway and he was happy...
We also had someone blame us for a flat 3 days after they got back the car..
I told him that it was not our fault that his rear signal light burned out but i fixed it anyway and he was happy...
We also had someone blame us for a flat 3 days after they got back the car..
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Originally Posted By: HyundaiGuy
The scariest thing is these people reproduce. Morons don't give birth to rocket scientists.
QUOTE OF THE WEEK!!!
The scariest thing is these people reproduce. Morons don't give birth to rocket scientists.
QUOTE OF THE WEEK!!!
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lyrics–Mark Graham
Life is hard, but life is hardest when you’re dumb
No joie de vivre, just endless hours of tedium
With a negative IQ you’ll be lonesome sad and blue
Life is hard, but life is hardest when you’re dumb
Life is hard, but life is hardest when you’re dumb
You wait for years, but inspiration never comes
Thoughts you don’t have remain unheard because you cannot find the words
Life is hard, but life is hardest when you’re dumb
Life is hard, but life is hardest when you’re dumb
Between your ears a dark and silent vacuum
If there’s a void behind your face
why not rent out the vacant space
Life is hard, but life is hardest when you’re dumb
Life is hard, but life is hardest when you’re dumb
Why not just lay back and smoke a bowl of opium
If being stupid is your fate just relax ’cause it’s too late
Life is hard, but life is hardest when you’re dumb
lyrics–Mark Graham
Life is hard, but life is hardest when you’re dumb
No joie de vivre, just endless hours of tedium
With a negative IQ you’ll be lonesome sad and blue
Life is hard, but life is hardest when you’re dumb
Life is hard, but life is hardest when you’re dumb
You wait for years, but inspiration never comes
Thoughts you don’t have remain unheard because you cannot find the words
Life is hard, but life is hardest when you’re dumb
Life is hard, but life is hardest when you’re dumb
Between your ears a dark and silent vacuum
If there’s a void behind your face
why not rent out the vacant space
Life is hard, but life is hardest when you’re dumb
Life is hard, but life is hardest when you’re dumb
Why not just lay back and smoke a bowl of opium
If being stupid is your fate just relax ’cause it’s too late
Life is hard, but life is hardest when you’re dumb
A good number of drivers have no clue how the car works. All they know is fill up gas tank when it's emptied, replace tires when no tread remaining, replace brake pads when it make loud noise and once in a while do an oil change. To them the heater works independent of the coolant/radiator conditions.
I saw many BMW, MB, Lexus ... at my trusted garage had original brake/power steering fluid after 10-12 years. If the owners of those cars do not know those fluids needed to be changed once in several years, I don't expect other owners know anything about their cars.
I saw many BMW, MB, Lexus ... at my trusted garage had original brake/power steering fluid after 10-12 years. If the owners of those cars do not know those fluids needed to be changed once in several years, I don't expect other owners know anything about their cars.
Originally Posted By: Skid
Well, at some point, a dumb person's incompetence hinders his/her ability to realize that they are incompetent and need to defer to others.
Yup!
Incompetent people are, by definition, INCAPABLE of realizing their incompetence.
I seem to recall someone doing a study a while back...
Ah, here it is...
Originally Posted By: Dr. David A. Dunning
There are many incompetent people in the world. Dr. David A. Dunning is haunted by the fear that he might be one of them.
Dunning, a professor of psychology at Cornell, worries about this because, according to his research, most incompetent people do not know that they are incompetent.
On the contrary. People who do things badly, Dunning has found in studies conducted with a graduate student, Justin Kruger, are usually supremely confident of their abilities -- more confident, in fact, than people who do things well.
One reason that the ignorant also tend to be the blissfully self-assured, the researchers believe, is that the skills required for competence often are the same skills necessary to recognize competence.
"Not only do they reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their incompetence robs them of the ability to realize it," wrote Kruger and Dunning.
This deficiency in "self-monitoring skills," the researchers said, helps explain the tendency of the humor-impaired to persist in telling jokes that are not funny, of day traders to repeatedly jump into the market -- and repeatedly lose out -- and of the politically clueless to continue holding forth at dinner parties on the fine points of campaign strategy.
In a series of studies, Kruger and Dunning tested their theory of incompetence. They found that subjects who scored in the lowest quartile on tests of logic, English grammar and humor were also the most likely to "grossly overestimate" how well they had performed.
In all three tests, subjects' ratings of their ability were positively linked to their actual scores. But the lowest-ranked participants showed much greater distortions in their self-estimates.
Asked to evaluate their performance on the test of logical reasoning, for example, subjects who scored only in the 12th percentile guessed that they had scored in the 62nd percentile, and deemed their overall skill at logical reasoning to be at the 68th percentile.
Well, at some point, a dumb person's incompetence hinders his/her ability to realize that they are incompetent and need to defer to others.
Yup!
Incompetent people are, by definition, INCAPABLE of realizing their incompetence.
I seem to recall someone doing a study a while back...
Ah, here it is...
Originally Posted By: Dr. David A. Dunning
There are many incompetent people in the world. Dr. David A. Dunning is haunted by the fear that he might be one of them.
Dunning, a professor of psychology at Cornell, worries about this because, according to his research, most incompetent people do not know that they are incompetent.
On the contrary. People who do things badly, Dunning has found in studies conducted with a graduate student, Justin Kruger, are usually supremely confident of their abilities -- more confident, in fact, than people who do things well.
One reason that the ignorant also tend to be the blissfully self-assured, the researchers believe, is that the skills required for competence often are the same skills necessary to recognize competence.
"Not only do they reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their incompetence robs them of the ability to realize it," wrote Kruger and Dunning.
This deficiency in "self-monitoring skills," the researchers said, helps explain the tendency of the humor-impaired to persist in telling jokes that are not funny, of day traders to repeatedly jump into the market -- and repeatedly lose out -- and of the politically clueless to continue holding forth at dinner parties on the fine points of campaign strategy.
In a series of studies, Kruger and Dunning tested their theory of incompetence. They found that subjects who scored in the lowest quartile on tests of logic, English grammar and humor were also the most likely to "grossly overestimate" how well they had performed.
In all three tests, subjects' ratings of their ability were positively linked to their actual scores. But the lowest-ranked participants showed much greater distortions in their self-estimates.
Asked to evaluate their performance on the test of logical reasoning, for example, subjects who scored only in the 12th percentile guessed that they had scored in the 62nd percentile, and deemed their overall skill at logical reasoning to be at the 68th percentile.
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Lol that person must have been stupid... let them go to the next shop and be told the same thing, some people have no knowledge...
Today I was riding to walmart with some guys on my floor in the dorm, they instantly get in the car and crank the heat, and we were 3 miles from walmart, well we hit a train, it lasted 10 minutes, and near the end of the train, the driver says, "piece of junk car." The heater hasn't even kicked in yet... Needless to say he was totally baffled when I tried to explain the thermostat and engine temp and coolant circulation into a heater core, he didn't know what "that gauge" was on the right of the cluster (the temp gauge) or that it had any correlation to the heat... I face palmed...
You can't make this stuff up... the morons are running rampant here too..
Today I was riding to walmart with some guys on my floor in the dorm, they instantly get in the car and crank the heat, and we were 3 miles from walmart, well we hit a train, it lasted 10 minutes, and near the end of the train, the driver says, "piece of junk car." The heater hasn't even kicked in yet... Needless to say he was totally baffled when I tried to explain the thermostat and engine temp and coolant circulation into a heater core, he didn't know what "that gauge" was on the right of the cluster (the temp gauge) or that it had any correlation to the heat... I face palmed...
You can't make this stuff up... the morons are running rampant here too..
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Originally Posted By: John_K
I have worked with the public for 30 years (God, help me) and I think it's that people get something stuck in their head and they won't LISTEN. They had HEAT stuck in their head and won't listen to the cause.
It's like a friend of mine worked customer service at a retail store and had a person screaming because they would only give store credit for a return without a receipt, not cash. After quite a scene, my friend asked what she wanted the money for, and she screamed "to buy something else in this store." My friend replied, well, use the store credit to buy it. It was like he worked a miracle. I think she was so stuck on REFUND she didn't stop to think that credit was effectively the same thing.
John
I had to same thing happen to me....
I have worked with the public for 30 years (God, help me) and I think it's that people get something stuck in their head and they won't LISTEN. They had HEAT stuck in their head and won't listen to the cause.
It's like a friend of mine worked customer service at a retail store and had a person screaming because they would only give store credit for a return without a receipt, not cash. After quite a scene, my friend asked what she wanted the money for, and she screamed "to buy something else in this store." My friend replied, well, use the store credit to buy it. It was like he worked a miracle. I think she was so stuck on REFUND she didn't stop to think that credit was effectively the same thing.
John
I had to same thing happen to me....
Originally Posted By: Quest
LOL! what Chris experienced is not uncommon here in NA.
Trust me: the idiot factor is so rampant on this continent that frankly it makes me wonder where common sense live now? (do people have common sense no more?!)
Oh well, money and fools soon to part ways (that's what momma taught me)
Q.
Witness my (former) boss.
Gas leak in building. Doesn't evacuate while waiting for the HVAC guy to show. I however left the building regardless of her and the other 4 employees who lack enough common sense and self-preservation instinct to get out of a building filling with gas. Can't be fixed until the next day. Since the HVAC guy says its just a small leak, she decides to stay open so we leave the gas on for the complex (admin offices and warehouse/retail space) and stays open to the public.
Jump back a couple of weeks prior to the gas leak. We were doing some salvage work in an old school scheduled for demolition. The building had no utilities. It was in the low 20s. She suggested that I run a generator to power the 220v electric heater INSIDE THE BUILDING since we hadn't gotten around to purchasing a 220v extension cord. When I told her the exhaust would kill us she said, "Well can't you just open a window?"
Open a window? Lets ignore the fact that it wouldn't provide proper ventilation and look at the other glaring lack of common sense... trying to provide heat while having a window open.
Originally Posted By: oilboy123
Another thing to keep in mind is those people may be smart in other areas, but not cars. Just like we might be smart with cars but clueless in other areas like tax code, the law etc.
They're not... see Geonerds post. Inflated sense of knowledge, ability, accomplishment, and general worth to society.
LOL! what Chris experienced is not uncommon here in NA.
Trust me: the idiot factor is so rampant on this continent that frankly it makes me wonder where common sense live now? (do people have common sense no more?!)
Oh well, money and fools soon to part ways (that's what momma taught me)
Q.
Witness my (former) boss.
Gas leak in building. Doesn't evacuate while waiting for the HVAC guy to show. I however left the building regardless of her and the other 4 employees who lack enough common sense and self-preservation instinct to get out of a building filling with gas. Can't be fixed until the next day. Since the HVAC guy says its just a small leak, she decides to stay open so we leave the gas on for the complex (admin offices and warehouse/retail space) and stays open to the public.
Jump back a couple of weeks prior to the gas leak. We were doing some salvage work in an old school scheduled for demolition. The building had no utilities. It was in the low 20s. She suggested that I run a generator to power the 220v electric heater INSIDE THE BUILDING since we hadn't gotten around to purchasing a 220v extension cord. When I told her the exhaust would kill us she said, "Well can't you just open a window?"
Open a window? Lets ignore the fact that it wouldn't provide proper ventilation and look at the other glaring lack of common sense... trying to provide heat while having a window open.
Originally Posted By: oilboy123
Another thing to keep in mind is those people may be smart in other areas, but not cars. Just like we might be smart with cars but clueless in other areas like tax code, the law etc.
They're not... see Geonerds post. Inflated sense of knowledge, ability, accomplishment, and general worth to society.
Originally Posted By: Chris142
...So they drove off in a huff.
You couldn't have asked for a better resolution. I wouldn't want to have an on-going tangle with those yo-yos. "You fixed this and then that broke, it's your fault", yada, yada, yada...
Hands washed of that scenario, excellent!
...So they drove off in a huff.
You couldn't have asked for a better resolution. I wouldn't want to have an on-going tangle with those yo-yos. "You fixed this and then that broke, it's your fault", yada, yada, yada...
Hands washed of that scenario, excellent!
And when the engine overheats and pukes, they'll say how it's a such a piece of junk and they'll never buy another vehicle from that automaker again....
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
To them the heater works independent of the coolant/radiator conditions.
Of course! Everyone knows the heater is right there on the dash, while the radiator is one of those thing hidden under the hood! No way they could be related...
To them the heater works independent of the coolant/radiator conditions.
Of course! Everyone knows the heater is right there on the dash, while the radiator is one of those thing hidden under the hood! No way they could be related...
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