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After putting Pennzoil HD30 in my mower, i searched and found this as a review on epinions dot com.....



I used Pennzoil in my first three cars. Changed the oil every 3000 miles like clockwork. Lifters and valves were knocking frequently. The timing gear and chain jumped the cogs at 60,000 mi on the third one, and my mechanic enlightened me. He said any oil pumped out of the ground in Pennsylvania has a high paraffin content (wax), that will coat the inside of the engine with sludge. He told me to use Texas or middle eastern oil - Shell, Havoline, Valvoline, etc., and it would clean the engine in two or three oil changes. Sooner if I used Rislone oil treatment/cleanout, which I did.
I'ved used Valvoline on eight cars since, about 700,000 miles total, and haven't had a knock or crankcase problem since. The last two cars I switched to synthetic due to the viscocity problems in cold weather in Michigan. Regular 10w/30 will not come out of the can at 20 deg below. Much easier starts with synthetic. Perhaps Pennzoil synthetic lacks the paraffin and is ok, but I haven't tried it because of below reasons.
Synthetic lasts from 15,000 to 25,000 between changes, but costs twice as much. You do the math. Its cheaper in the long run.
Add the fact that your engine turns over in cold weather much easier, and you'll find it saves wear and tear on your starter motor another $200 item, or more.
My boy was taking an economics course at college several years ago. The professor began talking abour classic cases of companies selling an inferior product successfully using aggressive marketing. He used Pennzoil as an example, and my boy chuckled as he remembered what I had told him.
I have had two co-workers who needed engine replacements at about 100 to 120,000 miles, and when I asked them what oil they used, well....
Seems ironic that Pennzoil is now claiming in their ads that they have an additive that will clean out the sludge in your engine. Well, how did it get there?
Its hard sometimes to admit when you've made a bad choice, but its even harder to cough up $4000 for a replacement engine. I hope somebody reads this and makes a change for the better.
 
This is the old story about Pennzoil creating sludge. If it was true an awful lot of cars and trucks in the USA would have sludged up engines because Pennzoil is still the number one selling oil in America according to what I have heard. This Pennzoil causes sludge story never dies.

I think bulk oil is the worst problem. Any name brand oil is probably much better than bulk oil that comes from who knows where.

Near where I live there is a Grease Monkey that sells a bulk oil made by Colorado Petroleum. I had never heard of Colorado Petroleum. I have never seen Colorado Petroleum oil being sold by the quart or 5 quart container in a store in Colorado anywhere. The Greae Monkey charges extra for bottles oil from Pennzoil, Valvoline, etc.
 
That article is a bunch of [censored].

People have trouble understanding the difference between "paraffinic" and "parrafin wax". Wax IS indeed paraffinic, but so is oil, methane gas, butane in your cigarette lighter, etc.

Do people still believe that after all these years, Pennzoil comes from specific "waxy" deposits of crude oil found only in Pennsylvania? I bet it comes from the same places its competitors do.
 
Pennzoil is great oil.
In fact, it's my first choice for motor oil now.
I used to be an idiot spouting out junk about Pennzoil causing sludge - I've reformed my ways, and in fact now run Pennzoil in my car, and do so with pride and confidence.
 
Years ago I worked for a parts house while going to college. We were a full line dealer for Wolfs Head. They used to advertise that they were made from Pennsylvania grade crude. Never heard any of these sludge complaints. However as a mechanic in later years it was "common knowledge" that Quaker State would cause instant sludge if you even walked a can by an engine! Don't know how these myths get started.
 
Probably should go get the PeePee out of my truck. You know its that watery 5w-20 grade. Its going to need diapers to soak up the leaks this watery stuff is going to drop all over my garage floor.
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My mechanic, a guy I grew up with, has had many long term customers where he has seen the trends of their cars and known what oils they used, etc., told me, and showed me oil pans full of sludge and wear particles he told me were from from Pennzoil...some at only 60K miles on the clock.

This was around 20 years ago though.

I haven't heard of any problems since, and noticed he has some bottles of Pennzoil Platinum on his toolbox. He has no problems with Pennzoil nowadays.
 
Is this guy serious? Pennzoil isnt even its former self, even if the "legends" had a hint of truth, Pennzoil, Quaker State, Kendall and even the Great Valvoline were made from Pennsylvania crude, almost all of them were. It was the best oil, not the worst. Even so, Pennzoil bought up Quaker state and now both got bought up by Shell, so in reality Pennzoil doesnt even really exsist ecept in name, because it is Shell oil. I am from Pennsylvania and I saw first hand as a child, the sludge, they talk about from Quaker state oil, but I dont blame the oil. It was my parents car and my Dad, never hardly changed the oil, maybe once a year. He still got a 100,000 miles out of the Buicks, but when the valve covers were off, it looked like black crusty mud. Iam covinced that is what caused sludge, not oil of any kind in that period would protect a engine if you never change it. Still true today, dont want sludge change your oil, doesnt matter what brand, just change it and you'll be Peachy.
 
There is something else to be brought up here as well. I don't think a lot of oil comes from Pennslyvania today anyway. And by the way the oil that did come from there was considered extremely good oil. There was some 3 billion barrels of oil there and there still is something like 1 billion barrels but they can't get what is left out of the ground very easily.

Oil can come from anywhere. The oil in some of those Pennzoil containers could be from somewhere in the Middle East.

Not to mention the fact that motor oil has changed completely through the years. There is no comparison between the Pennzoil of 20 years ago and the Pennzoil oil of today.
 
Originally Posted By: Mystic
Not to mention the fact that motor oil has changed completely through the years. There is no comparison between the Pennzoil of 20 years ago and the Pennzoil oil of today.


Exactly. All brands change formulation.
 
Articles like those are as current as one that tells you how to remove the fuzz from the needles after playing your records. Also how to de frost your freezer.Got to keep it in the real..
 
My family has used Pennzoil for decades and we've NEVER encountered an oil related problem or a sludged up engine. Pennzoil hasn't even utilized Pennsylvania crude for a base stock for how many years now? They moved to Houston a long time ago. Myself and many of my friends who own muscle cars use Pennsylvania refined Brad Penn Penn Grade 1 High Performance oil. We change oil once a year and have never encountered any sludge.
 
Pennzoil, and other oils like it, stopped being made of actual Pennsylvania crude in the mid-1960's.

There is a 1979 article in Popular Science about using advanced extraction techniques to get more oil out of the Penn fields, and in that article they specifically say that Pennzoil and others 'haven't been made from Penn-souced crudes for ages'!

Only oil these days, made from a 'significan't amount' of actual Pennsylvania crude is Brad-Penn oils, and even they use other basestocks in their base oil blends.
 
If and i say IF there was any problems that was many years ago the Pennzoil brand of today is a quality product that performs as any other, out standing.
 
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