Pennzoil Platinum HM 5W-30 VOA

[drtyler]

I never claimed I could. I said I didn't like how weak it looks now compared to other competitors. We all chose oils for various reasons.

You have been here long enough to know there are components in fully formulated engine oils that don’t show up on a spectrographic analysis.

 

[kschachn]

I never claimed I could. I said I didn't like how weak it looks now compared to other competitors. We all chose oils for various reasons.

So what were you looking at if not a cheap spectrographic analysis?

 

[ZZman]

So what were you looking at if not a cheap spectrographic analysis?

I am looking at what everybody else looks at when they look at the VOAs and the UOAs. The additive amounts.

 

[ZZman]

You have been here long enough to know there are components in fully formulated engine oils that don’t show up on a spectrographic analysis.

Does that mean that their competitors don't also have the secret sauce but chose a better additive package instead? Maybe they in fact have both?

 

[kschachn]

I am looking at what everybody else looks at when they look at the VOAs and the UOAs. The additive amounts.

Well my point being that no one is looking at additive amounts, you are looking at certain mostly metallic elements from decomposed compounds. You can make a few "tea leaves" assumptions about the origin of some of those elements, but there are additives that aren't composed of metallic or tested elements. That's why licenses, certifications and approvals are based on a battery of definitive tests for everything from wear to oxidation resistance to 20 other things. No license, specification nor approval is based on a cheap spectrographic analysis but on much more representative tests.

Yes that's what everybody else looks at but nearly every time they are drawing wholly unwarranted conclusions. Go look at the Afton Specification Handbook and see what goes into every approval and license, even the widely disparaged API license. See how many of the requirements are based on a spectrographic analysis.

 

[Johnwick]

As the motor oil geek has stated PP uses GTL which due to the high quality base stock some of the additives have been reduced. I guess they're not needed as much in the formulation.

 

[4WD]

Well my point being that no one is looking at additive amounts, you are looking at certain mostly metallic elements from decomposed compounds. You can make a few "tea leaves" assumptions about the origin of some of those elements, but there are additives that aren't composed of metallic or tested elements. That's why licenses, certifications and approvals are based on a battery of definitive tests for everything from wear to oxidation resistance to 20 other things. No license, specification nor approval is based on a cheap spectrographic analysis but on much more representative tests.

Yes that's what everybody else looks at but nearly every time they are drawing wholly unwarranted conclusions. Go look at the Afton Specification Handbook and see what goes into every approval and license, even the widely disparaged API license. See how many of the requirements are based on a spectrographic analysis.

Heard MAC-T is Earl Grey’s great-great-great-great grandson …

 

[Brian123]

That looks pathetic. The TBN is low even for the D4739 method that Blackstone uses. The phosphorus is well below the minimum for API and well outside ICP margin of error. The KV100 is 8.92 cSt which makes it a 20 grade, not a 30 grade, so it's already out of grade in virgin form.

I would ask Blackstone to rerun the sample based on the results not aligning with the advertised SAE J300 grade and phosphorus well below API minimum.

When my stash of Mobil 1 ESP 0W-30 and the 5W-30 ESP is about 2 be used up I will be asking RDY4WAR what oil I should be buying and using!

 

[Carlostrece]

I know this thread is old, but it's still relevant. I read the entire thread because Penzoil Platinum High Mileage interested me.

I also watched multiple Youtube videos by Project Farm in which he said (paraphrasing) Amsoil Signature performed best of all oils he tested that year (2024 I think?) with Pennzoil Ultra Platinum a close 2nd, which would make PUP the best oil available from Walmart.

He went on to say all the other Pennzoil oils that he tested performed well, except Platinum. He was not inpressed with Platinum's performance in his various physical tests and he theorized it might be related to a weak additive package. He then show a VOA of PP and said it's additive package looked weak, but he like PUP's additive package better. He like all Pennzoil products (for their price, category) except PP.

Years ago I tried PP 5w30 in my 99 Jeep Cherokee. The oil pressure was lower than I was accustomed to from 5w30 Valvoline Synpower. It was obvious to me that PP was thinner than Synpower. PP claimed cSt looked normal, but IRL it was thin for a 5w30.

I realize this thread is about PP HM, but it probably shares same base oil and additive package as PP, except hopefully the HM version has more seal conditioners (especially considering how thin it seems to be).

I was considering Valvoline EP HM vs PP HM if I want a synthetic HM (instead of a Blend HM) because I had hopes that PP HM would be much better than PP, but I'm giving up on that hope.

So far I have only read good things about Valvoline EP HM. I'm also liking Maxlife HM Blend too.

 

[fantastic]

I know this thread is old, but it's still relevant. I read the entire thread because Penzoil Platinum High Mileage interested me.

I also watched multiple Youtube videos by Project Farm in which he said (paraphrasing) Amsoil Signature performed best of all oils he tested that year (2024 I think?) with Pennzoil Ultra Platinum a close 2nd, which would make PUP the best oil available from Walmart.

He went on to say all the other Pennzoil oils that he tested performed well, except Platinum. He was not inpressed with Platinum's performance in his various physical tests and he theorized it might be related to a weak additive package. He then show a VOA of PP and said it's additive package looked weak, but he like PUP's additive package better. He like all Pennzoil products (for their price, category) except PP.

Years ago I tried PP 5w30 in my 99 Jeep Cherokee. The oil pressure was lower than I was accustomed to from 5w30 Valvoline Synpower. It was obvious to me that PP was thinner than Synpower. PP claimed cSt looked normal, but IRL it was thin for a 5w30.

I realize this thread is about PP HM, but it probably shares same base oil and additive package as PP, except hopefully the HM version has more seal conditioners (especially considering how thin it seems to be).

I was considering Valvoline EP HM vs PP HM if I want a synthetic HM (instead of a Blend HM) because I had hopes that PP HM would be much better than PP, but I'm giving up on that hope.

So far I have only read good things about Valvoline EP HM. I'm also liking Maxlife HM Blend too.

PF is not testing all the dynamics of how an oil operates inside an engine & should be taken as entertainment only. Like many have said here I enjoy his videos but not to be taken seriously about oil. He does send out oil to test to a lab & that does give some value there though. If you want to try HM oil just use it.

 

[53' Stude]

PF is not testing all the dynamics of how an oil operates inside an engine & should be taken as entertainment only. Like many have said here I enjoy his videos but not to be taken seriously about oil. He does send out oil to test to a lab & that does give some value there though. If you want to try HM oil just use it.

Project farm is a big joke. Wouldn’t trust him with anything.


Valvoline EPHM is definitely use over any PP. Even is PP uses GRL, no excuse to skimp on additives.

 

[Snagglefoot]

I happen to have PP HM in my 2005 Taurus and it looks like it may have cured an oil drip. I need to get under and take a look.