Pennzoil Platinum 0w-20

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"Paging Dr. AEHaas, paging Dr. AEHaas, new 0w20 oil requires your attention on the Oil Forum...STAT."
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Paging Dr. Haas, your 0w-1 oil is in for your 455HP Ferrari.
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Why are they marketing this solely to the 'hybrid' crowd? {Wait a minute...is there such a thing as a hybrid crowd?}
Did the marketing dept. discover that the whole "0w-" label is so high-tech that only hybrid geeks would understand & buy it?
Is Pennzoil going to keep selling the 5w-20 PP right along with the 0w-20? Seems like a lot for such a small spread (5w- to 0w-).
Johnny????

I just finished an Auto-Rx cycle in our Grand Am. Did the conversion from GC over to PP. Based on what I've been reading, I am buying PP now instead of GC (changed) or M1 (weaker). I know PP is new, and probably just as unproven or just as good/bad as GC/M1, but right now, I just feel better about the PP. For whatever reason, Pennzoil has won over at least one convert.
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I never thought the time would come when I would be changing from "thick" 5w-20 summertime oil to "thin" 0w-20 wintertime oil.
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There is at least one hybrid that specs OW-20 oil and I think its a Honda. Honda has a OW-20 that they sell through dealers but I think its a conventional oil and I think that I heard they were charging near synthetic prices for it.

Pennzoil saw a market need for this oil as hybrids are becoming more popular thats not being served by any other product and they took action.

Of course there are the Bitogers like AE Haas and myself that just like OW oils which expands the market for them.

However in my case, I bought a boatload full of Mobil 1 0w20 before they ceased production and Autozone had it on sale cheap. I will probably start replacing my M1 OW-20 with Pennzoil OW-20 as I use it up but it will take a long time to gradually adjust.

It may take me longer to adjust than I imagined because Im driving less. I can afford to drive more but I feel its my civic duty to eliminate unnecessary driving when the price of gasoline is causing distress to other Americans and supplies are tight.

There is a market for OW-20 oil and Pennzoil is the only game in town.

Happy Motoring All,

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Bugshu
 
Bugshu,

Will you puh-leeease starting calling it "0w-" instead of "OW-"?!? I keep thinking you're hurting yourself as you type.
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As for the market, I'm really not so sure. I mean, yes, all of us know that 0w-20 is (was) a good oil when Mobil 1 had it out. However, the speculation was XM did away with it and changed to the more well known 5w-20 nomenclature because the "commoners" weren't quite sure about the 0w- label. Absolutely - Pennzoil now has the only on-the-shelf 0w-20, but there had to be some reason why XM handed off the ball.

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[ August 14, 2005, 11:18 AM: Message edited by: ZiTS ]
 
Ow

Ok there you go.

I had an Autozone employee tell me M1 Ow 20 oil was wesson oil and didnt have any weight to it. I jokingly replied that I planned to use it on the space shuttle since it was weightless.

Id guestimate that about 85-90% of the public thinks that the w stands for weight and they generally think heavier is better than lighter. I know of people putting 20w-50 into new honda civics because of old prejudices. Ive seen cars destroyed in the winter because they wouldnt crank and its a noisy death. You can walk up to a person in a mall shopping center and suggest a "lighter" oil and they wont appreciate the advice.

Recently I spoke with a petroleum engineer that I know fairly well and she was using a thicker oil than was specced for her car. She didnt know what she was doing so how can you expect Bitog type knowledge from the 3000 mile oil change crowd.

I hoped that XM as you call it *HeH* would educate the public that a 20 viscosity oil is a 20 viscosity oil and that lower cold start performance has its advantages but they didnt. I dont blame them really because they are in the business of turning inventory. We get marketing gimmicks like 15,000 mile oils that capture new shelf space but the 20 crowd was left behind as Ow oil was dropped.

Motor oil is like coke or beer and people have their favorites and they arent going to change even if they are misinformed. Hopefully, I wont ever have to buy another used car and deal with the results of other peoples ignorance.

Im glad Pennzoil Platinum is rushing to fill a void that M1 left open. And Im sure that I will be a customer. I find myself rooting and cheering for the Platinum used oil analysis that should be coming forth.

M1 seems to want marketing gimmicks, shelf space, and market share. Pennzoil seems to be creating better products. This seems to be a classic confrontation of style versus substance except that its in the motor oil world rather than the fashion industry. It will be interesting to see who wins the war.

Happy Motoring All,

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Bugshu
 
I won't believe that Group III Pennzoil will make a FULL PAO/ester until they list the ingredients on the bottle.

How many hybrids use 0w20?

Marketing must be working overtime at Pennzoil.
 
I would like to see the specs. Also I would not be the first to use it but I am certainly interested.

And my Ferrari was hurt by the 455 BHP comment. It has 515 BHP.

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And my Ferrari was hurt by the 455 BHP comment. It has 515 BHP.

aehaas


Buster, it looks like it'll take 3 "Our Father's" and 3 "Hail Mary's" to absolve yourself.
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LOL...wow, 515HP!
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Dr Haas, this new 0w-20 has your name all over it.
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At Pep Boys I saw Pennzoil in an oil change shrink wrapped package with Slick 50. I'd be hard pressed to trust any product from a company that sells Slick 50. If they can sell Slick 50 with a straight face, imagine what else they have up their sleeve. This company must put flash far ahead of everything else.
 
It's time for Pennzoil to seriously drop the Slick 50. It only hurts their reputation IMO, amond those that take these things seriously....oh wait, thats only about .00001% of the population.
 
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Originally posted by 427Z06:
That Shell Helix Racing oil is interesting:
35.1 cSt@40°C
7.35 cSt@100°C
VI 182
Wonder what the HTHS is?


If they would formulate this stuff for street use I would try it regardless of the HTHS figure. I am also beginning to think that we will find out (some day) that "hybrid" oils with a synthetic and conventional combination base will actually better either base in pure form.

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I am also beginning to think that we will find out (some day) that "hybrid" oils with a synthetic and conventional combination base will actually better either base in pure form.

I've posted this before, but in a back issue of Race Car Engineering Magazine (U.K. based) they interviewed Shell about Synthetic oils in F1/Racing etc. They actually do use a blend of Group III/PAO/Ester for some of their racing oils. I found that interesting.
 
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They actually do use a blend of Group III/PAO/Ester for some of their racing oils.

Kinda' thought we would find that GC was made that way. But alas, they found a way to combine properties.
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