Penn State scandal

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Originally Posted By: sayjac
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Perhaps they have never been seniors in their final season? Would heartbreak kids that had nothing to do with the mismanagement by the school.

Granted, worse things have happened.

Philadelphia radio was playing all the chanting, rallys and interviews of students supporting Joe and PSU football. Apparently the student residents of HV want him to stay.

And this matters why? The seniors will get to play their game with or without Joe. Wonder if any one those rallying for Joe had a younger brother or relative that was molested by Sandouchey would be so cavalier about Joe coaching in this game, which all things considered here, isn't important at all.

I prefer to focus on the innocent victims here, and how this horrendous event was allowed to continue far longer than it should have or would have had a person in power stepped up and put a stop to it. And no one had more power than JoePa at Penn State, the buck stopped at his door.

But it is true, "worse things have happened", just ask the victims here and their families, doesn't get much worse.

"All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke.



Perhaps you should quote my whole post (including that which I've quoted) and not take my commentary out of context????

The original comment said that NE shouldnt show up if Joe is coaching, or that PSU shouldnt play for the rest of the year. My point is that this would punish the kids who are currently on the team, when none of this is their fault, and they are effectively bystanders.

That is a bit too much guilt by association for me. Punish kids on a team because their coach and administration screwed up.

And saying that worse things have happened is completely out of context too - nice job with reading comprehension! It meant that if the kids DIDNT play, worse things have happened... plenty of stuff that I can think of.

No need to fly off the handle because you lack reading comprehension skills and care to twist comments the wrong way.
 
I think the University has come to realize, at this point in time anyway, that there are more important things than football.

Major College athletic programs are incubators for corruption. This is due to the potential for revenue generation. Penn State was not immune to this. The level of corruption, from a moral standpoint, would be hard to surpass in this instance.

The closest thing I can come up with is when one Baylor basketball player was murdered by another a few years ago.
 
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Perhaps you should quote my whole post (including that which I've quote and not take my commentary out of context???...

Perhaps I should have quoted your last statement alone, as it had no context to the reply about the players at all, only a comment about the rallyers and them wanting Joe Pa to stay. Easily comprehended by most, though not noted in your reply, it was also the primary point addressed in my response. Nothing taken out of context there.

And though the 'worse things' may have been taken out of context as a reply the players playing the game, it certainly is apt to the current events at PS.
 
Perhaps, the individual who saw this should have gone right to the police, he did not. He went to Joe, he said something to to the AD, who then said something to the University President.

Joe did not see anything, should Joe have contacted the police, morally yes, but he did contact the individuals who should have contacted the authorities.

If anyone should be fired, it is the guy who still works for Penn State that saw what happened.

Not many people know this, but back a few years ago when Penn State had a few losing seasons the AD went to see Joe and asked him to retire, he said NO, this scandal gave Penn State a reason to get rid of Joe Paterno.

Again, Joe Paterno did nothing wrong, the individual who saw what happened had the MORAL obligation to go to the police, if Joe was smart, he would have done what he had done and then told the guy who saw this to go to the police, and if this individual then did not go to the police and if the higher ups did nothing, then maybe Joe should have contacted the police.

LETS NOT MAKE JOE PATERNO THE SCAPEGOAT.
 
ANYONE who was aware of this despicable freak's actions should be fired, and they should lose their golden parachutes and retirements as well.

These were someone's children. Like I said earlier, he's lucky I didn't see him. It would have been messy.
 
Originally Posted By: Bayman

LETS NOT MAKE JOE PATERNO THE SCAPEGOAT.

He is hardly a 'Scapegoat.' He is part of the chain that chose to sweep this under the rug. He deserves likewise to be swept under the rug. If you have followed this whole series of events from 1998. Its very clear that Paterno and likely the whole coaching staff knew generally what happened. I believe that there are many heads yet to roll.

On paper the AD was his boss but in actual operation the AD reported to him. So his action of kicking the can up to his 'boss' and not monitoring the investigation for a decade don't cut it.

E.J. Smith (Captain of the Titanic, was by all accounts the best and most loved Captain on the Atlantic Run. But on his last run before retirement (how ironic)...he ran the Titanic into an iceberg. His actions have been judged irresponsible and we know the results.

Rhetorical Question: Is Captain Smith remembered as the greatest Captain or the dumb F*&&** who irresponsibly ran it into an iceberg, killing 1500 people?

Paterno was a man of extraordinary character and had a profound sense devotion to the University. Through the years 'his' own sense of 'his' power power gradually changed him.

Serious followers of PSU football know this.
 
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It is an insult to our society that people who tolerate child molester would be forgiven just because they have a few victory in entertainment (sport is an entertainment).

Management in particular, should not be tolerated to make decisions that forgive these kind of things and turn a blind eye, regardless of how good they are at the job elsewhere.

Blaming only the guy who saw it and reporting to management? You got to be kidding me. If anything the higher up the management who knew about this and tolerate it, the more severe they should be punished.
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
ANYONE who was aware of this despicable freak's actions should be fired, and they should lose their golden parachutes and retirements as well.

These were someone's children. Like I said earlier, he's lucky I didn't see him. It would have been messy.



My sentiments exactly.
 
Now assistant coach Mike McQueary witnessed former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky, then 58, sexually violating a 10-year-old boy in the coaches’ locker room shower. McQueary told his father as well as head coach Joe Paterno.

Has he been fired? Why didn't he call the police? Him or his father?

Has the media gone after his father?
 
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Just the insanity of worshiping sports like people in the US do, while I find the actions of those accused monstrous what do you expect from a society that kneels at the alter of false gods?

We my friends are a completely CORRUPT and bankrupt society. What we are witnessing with this horrible situation is to be expected.
 
Originally Posted By: Trajan


Has he been fired? Why didn't he call the police? Him or his father?

Has the media gone after his father?
The board needed to stop the gross bleeding. Firing McClearly would be like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

And lets remember he reported the incident as per requirements. As carefully explained numerous times above..he is not in the same category as JoePa and company.
 
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Originally Posted By: Trajan


Has he been fired? Why didn't he call the police? Him or his father?

Has the media gone after his father?
The board needed to stop the gross bleeding. Firing McClearly would be like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

And lets remember he reported the incident as per requirements. As carefully explained numerous times above..he is not in the same category as JoePa and company.


Joe Paterno reported the incident as per requirements, he has not been charged or indited.
 
Originally Posted By: Bayman


Joe Paterno reported the incident as per requirements, he has not been charged or indited.


The problem is that Joe Paterno met his legal obligations, but he didn't meet certain ethical or moral obligations. He was is a legend that was looked up to and needed to do much more than meet the minimum requirements in dealing with a situation like this.

To whom much is given, much more is to be expected.
 
Originally Posted By: urchin
Originally Posted By: Bayman


Joe Paterno reported the incident as per requirements, he has not been charged or indited.


The problem is that Joe Paterno met his legal obligations, but he didn't meet certain ethical or moral obligations. He was is a legend that was looked up to and needed to do much more than meet the minimum requirements in dealing with a situation like this.

To whom much is given, much more is to be expected.


Did not the witness and his father have moral obligations as well?
 
Originally Posted By: Bayman

Joe Paterno reported the incident as per requirements, he has not been charged or indited.

You really don't understand. I'm not gonna re-explain it. You have your opinion....that's fine.

Against my better judgment will say this. Paterno did not meet the PSU Board of Director's expectations. Period. End of Story. They don't need a reason to fire Paterno, Spanier, Curley, or Shultz. These are 'At Will Employees'. Judging their performance can be very subjective. They have zero protection, have no union, etc. etc. etc.

Is that clear? Its as clear as I can make it

BTW..here is why he is fired ""In our view, we thought change now was necessary," board vice chairman John Surma said at a packed news conference where he announced the unanimous decision to oust Paterno and Spanier. That's all it takes.
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Fire McClearly and you have an instant lawsuit.
 
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Originally Posted By: Trajan
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Did not the witness and his father have moral obligations as well? [/quote]

Absolutely.

I just am disgusted by the lack of ethical and moral fortitude of most people today, it still shocks me, and makes me feel like I am very much alone in my beliefs and values.
 
Originally Posted By: Al


Fire McClearly and you have an instant lawsuit.



Not in PA. The board could decide again "change now is necessary."

See he is an "at will" employee too.

McQueary knew exactly what he witnessed and didn't call the police. Why should he get a pass?
 
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Originally Posted By: Trajan

See he is an "at will" employee too.

Yea I guess you are right about this one. McQueary may yet go.

"Due to multiple threats made against Assistant Coach Mike McQueary, the University has decided it would be in the best interest of all for Assistant Coach McQueary not to be in attendance at Saturday's Nebraska game," the statement read."

http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/201...to_release.aspx
 
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