Peanuts in school
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JHZR2
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It has nothing to do with somebody's perception of "luck".
Kestas
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Originally Posted By: JHZR2
I was chewed out when expressing displeasure with handicap parking spot numbers...
Those numbers are determined by State code for civil engineers.
I was chewed out when expressing displeasure with handicap parking spot numbers...
Those numbers are determined by State code for civil engineers.
JHZR2
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Originally Posted By: Kestas
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
I was chewed out when expressing displeasure with handicap parking spot numbers...
Those numbers are determined by State code for civil engineers.
Oh I understand that... Its just the same concept that Tempest stated, about few vs many... and adaptations. That's it...
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
I was chewed out when expressing displeasure with handicap parking spot numbers...
Those numbers are determined by State code for civil engineers.
Oh I understand that... Its just the same concept that Tempest stated, about few vs many... and adaptations. That's it...
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: BrianWC
Actually we were told fish allergy could be airborn.
Maybe in the girls locker room?
Oh man. Lol...no comment.
Originally Posted By: BrianWC
Actually we were told fish allergy could be airborn.
Maybe in the girls locker room?
Oh man. Lol...no comment.
It stinks now.
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Don't worry, Tempest. I was chewed out when expressing displeasure with handicap parking spot numbers and when wheelchair bound folks cut in line at the airport. Similar situations, similar percentages, but boy was I a bad guy for proposing that these things could be done better, and are currently abused and inconvenience the vast majority in the interest of the few.
Don't worry, Tempest. I was chewed out when expressing displeasure with handicap parking spot numbers and when wheelchair bound folks cut in line at the airport. Similar situations, similar percentages, but boy was I a bad guy for proposing that these things could be done better, and are currently abused and inconvenience the vast majority in the interest of the few.
Let's look at it this way...
If a kid had a contagious and harmful disease, should all the other kids stay at home from school? Or should the sick kid be isolated?
If someone has special needs, it is THEY who have special needs. It is their concern to deal with it, not at the expense of so many others.
And like wisely mentioned by others, there are much better ways to deal with the peanut thing than the current system. No one says let them die off!
Lawsuits, not common sense and right and wrong, are the prevalent motivation right now.
Now can I take the horns off of my head?
If a kid had a contagious and harmful disease, should all the other kids stay at home from school? Or should the sick kid be isolated?
If someone has special needs, it is THEY who have special needs. It is their concern to deal with it, not at the expense of so many others.
And like wisely mentioned by others, there are much better ways to deal with the peanut thing than the current system. No one says let them die off!
Lawsuits, not common sense and right and wrong, are the prevalent motivation right now.
Now can I take the horns off of my head?
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: Kestas
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
I was chewed out when expressing displeasure with handicap parking spot numbers...
Those numbers are determined by State code for civil engineers.
Oh I understand that... Its just the same concept that Tempest stated, about few vs many... and adaptations. That's it...
And just imagine how much you'd whine as they hauled their wheelchairs up the stairs while you waited to get through...and how slow they moved through the line holding you up, trying to drag their baggage through the line.
I've got that t-shirt, when "important" people "have business"
Their "special" treatment also involves signing a waiver that they are last off a ditched plane over the Pacific.
Originally Posted By: Kestas
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
I was chewed out when expressing displeasure with handicap parking spot numbers...
Those numbers are determined by State code for civil engineers.
Oh I understand that... Its just the same concept that Tempest stated, about few vs many... and adaptations. That's it...
And just imagine how much you'd whine as they hauled their wheelchairs up the stairs while you waited to get through...and how slow they moved through the line holding you up, trying to drag their baggage through the line.
I've got that t-shirt, when "important" people "have business"
Their "special" treatment also involves signing a waiver that they are last off a ditched plane over the Pacific.
Ah nuts.
Their "special" treatment also involves signing a waiver that they are last off a ditched plane over the Pacific.
This has never been implemented/put to use. And in how many billions of air miles?
That makes it irrelevant.
This has never been implemented/put to use. And in how many billions of air miles?
That makes it irrelevant.
Ok, so now it is peanuts... that's easy enough to work around, but what is the next food allergy that will result in restricting what can be served at schools, or even brought from home? Fish has already been brought up.
Besides, banning things doesn't stop kids from bringing them. In addition, a lot of products have warnings that they are processed in facilities that also process peanut containing products, so I guess all of these things have to be banned as well... but this is even harder to enforce than the original ban.
Like most bans, it is well intentioned, but it inconviences a lot of people and puts those who are actually at risk into a false sense of security.
People can be allergic to many different things... dairy products, fish, nuts, insect stings, etc. You can't safeguard everyone in a school from every possible allergy. The better thing to do is to educate those who are impacted, and make sure that the teachers and administrative staff know what to do in the event of an allergic reaction such as Anaphylaxis.
Besides, banning things doesn't stop kids from bringing them. In addition, a lot of products have warnings that they are processed in facilities that also process peanut containing products, so I guess all of these things have to be banned as well... but this is even harder to enforce than the original ban.
Like most bans, it is well intentioned, but it inconviences a lot of people and puts those who are actually at risk into a false sense of security.
People can be allergic to many different things... dairy products, fish, nuts, insect stings, etc. You can't safeguard everyone in a school from every possible allergy. The better thing to do is to educate those who are impacted, and make sure that the teachers and administrative staff know what to do in the event of an allergic reaction such as Anaphylaxis.
This peanut allergy thing has gotten out of hand.
I can't find the photo now....it may have been deleted
but awhile back I got a small bag of peanuts. The labeling read:
PEANUTS
Allergy Warning: Contains peanuts
Really?!
I'm probably a bad dad....I do not care. I make all my kid's lunches. My kid's school has a high amount of muslim students. Very high percentage. Once every couple of weeks, I'll make him a BLT. I kid you not. I place the bacon and toast in one baggy, the lettuce and tomato in another (so it doesn't get soggy) and drop in a pack of mayo.
Peanuts? Allergies? HAH! I am placing children danger-close to haraam.
Anaphylactic Shock? HAHAH! We are talking about eternal [darn]ation.
I can't find the photo now....it may have been deleted
PEANUTS
Allergy Warning: Contains peanuts
I'm probably a bad dad....I do not care. I make all my kid's lunches. My kid's school has a high amount of muslim students. Very high percentage. Once every couple of weeks, I'll make him a BLT. I kid you not. I place the bacon and toast in one baggy, the lettuce and tomato in another (so it doesn't get soggy) and drop in a pack of mayo.
Peanuts? Allergies? HAH! I am placing children danger-close to haraam.
Anaphylactic Shock? HAHAH! We are talking about eternal [darn]ation.
Originally Posted By: jim302
Ok, so now it is peanuts... that's easy enough to work around, but what is the next food allergy that will result in restricting what can be served at schools, or even brought from home? Fish has already been brought up.
Besides, banning things doesn't stop kids from bringing them. In addition, a lot of products have warnings that they are processed in facilities that also process peanut containing products, so I guess all of these things have to be banned as well... but this is even harder to enforce than the original ban.
Like most bans, it is well intentioned, but it inconviences a lot of people and puts those who are actually at risk into a false sense of security.
People can be allergic to many different things... dairy products, fish, nuts, insect stings, etc. You can't safeguard everyone in a school from every possible allergy. The better thing to do is to educate those who are impacted, and make sure that the teachers and administrative staff know what to do in the event of an allergic reaction such as Anaphylaxis.
It is not a clean cut. The amount of allergen that can go airborne directly from peanuts (especially those that is in powder form) is significantly more than the trace amount of peanuts that can contaminate from other product made in the same factory.
Anyways, I'd imagine this no peanut policy has more to do with insurance mandate / encouragement than anything else. But my point is, is it really life and death vs inconvenience?
Fundamentally at what point in our society should we favor most people's convenience vs some minority's life and death matter?
p.s. Many work places have "no pork" and "no beef" in cafeteria. Not sure if it is just religion or convenience of cooking. What would you say to the company?
Ok, so now it is peanuts... that's easy enough to work around, but what is the next food allergy that will result in restricting what can be served at schools, or even brought from home? Fish has already been brought up.
Besides, banning things doesn't stop kids from bringing them. In addition, a lot of products have warnings that they are processed in facilities that also process peanut containing products, so I guess all of these things have to be banned as well... but this is even harder to enforce than the original ban.
Like most bans, it is well intentioned, but it inconviences a lot of people and puts those who are actually at risk into a false sense of security.
People can be allergic to many different things... dairy products, fish, nuts, insect stings, etc. You can't safeguard everyone in a school from every possible allergy. The better thing to do is to educate those who are impacted, and make sure that the teachers and administrative staff know what to do in the event of an allergic reaction such as Anaphylaxis.
It is not a clean cut. The amount of allergen that can go airborne directly from peanuts (especially those that is in powder form) is significantly more than the trace amount of peanuts that can contaminate from other product made in the same factory.
Anyways, I'd imagine this no peanut policy has more to do with insurance mandate / encouragement than anything else. But my point is, is it really life and death vs inconvenience?
Fundamentally at what point in our society should we favor most people's convenience vs some minority's life and death matter?
p.s. Many work places have "no pork" and "no beef" in cafeteria. Not sure if it is just religion or convenience of cooking. What would you say to the company?
The peanut issue is not a singular thing.
It is one example of all sorts of ludicrosities.
So people are not allowed to feed their kids an inexpensive excellent food in these tough economic times?
Isolate the kid with problems [Or, like mentioned , give him peanuts to cure it!]
Why should that kid not have to modify HIS behaviour, but the majority who are doing nothing out of the ordinary should??
It is one example of all sorts of ludicrosities.
So people are not allowed to feed their kids an inexpensive excellent food in these tough economic times?
Isolate the kid with problems [Or, like mentioned , give him peanuts to cure it!]
Why should that kid not have to modify HIS behaviour, but the majority who are doing nothing out of the ordinary should??
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Bringing this topic back up because I heard my wife's coworker's friend's son died in kindergarten of peanut allergy last week.
The friend's family just came back from a trip and not everything is unpacked. The kid went to school the day and a classmate share a cookie. Kid asked if it has peanut in it, classmate said he doesn't think so. The kid went home and suddenly feel out of breath. Mom look around the house and could only found an expired med (because not everything is unpacked, and she was panicking), call 911 and the operator said do not use it (legal policy, even though med that is just recently expired is still better than no med at all). She watch the kid died out of breath.
Yes, I know someone is going to say it is not the fault of peanut and accident happens, and it is the result of a whole bunch of mistakes all over the place. However banning peanut in school is one less mistake that can happen that cause these kind of incidents especially the severe reaction of peanut allergy (not just itchy skin like soy).
The friend's family just came back from a trip and not everything is unpacked. The kid went to school the day and a classmate share a cookie. Kid asked if it has peanut in it, classmate said he doesn't think so. The kid went home and suddenly feel out of breath. Mom look around the house and could only found an expired med (because not everything is unpacked, and she was panicking), call 911 and the operator said do not use it (legal policy, even though med that is just recently expired is still better than no med at all). She watch the kid died out of breath.
Yes, I know someone is going to say it is not the fault of peanut and accident happens, and it is the result of a whole bunch of mistakes all over the place. However banning peanut in school is one less mistake that can happen that cause these kind of incidents especially the severe reaction of peanut allergy (not just itchy skin like soy).
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Originally Posted By: mechtech2
The peanut issue is not a singular thing.
It is one example of all sorts of ludicrosities.
So people are not allowed to feed their kids an inexpensive excellent food in these tough economic times?
Isolate the kid with problems [Or, like mentioned , give him peanuts to cure it!]
Why should that kid not have to modify HIS behaviour, but the majority who are doing nothing out of the ordinary should??
This. Ultimately, it's incredibly hard to teach a very young child to monitor their own behavior and have the self control to NOT eat peanuts. However, it's the PARENTS job to ALWAYS be ready to go. I feel these small food issues are unnatural, there is SOMETHING in our society causing these problems, and sadly I think it's the fault of our FDA allowing so much unnatural [censored] added into our foods. I don't know what the answer is, unfortunately. It's like Autism, the rates are skyrocketing over the past 2 decades, and nobody knows why, nor will anybody even admit that it's an actual problem and try to search for the cause even!
The peanut issue is not a singular thing.
It is one example of all sorts of ludicrosities.
So people are not allowed to feed their kids an inexpensive excellent food in these tough economic times?
Isolate the kid with problems [Or, like mentioned , give him peanuts to cure it!]
Why should that kid not have to modify HIS behaviour, but the majority who are doing nothing out of the ordinary should??
This. Ultimately, it's incredibly hard to teach a very young child to monitor their own behavior and have the self control to NOT eat peanuts. However, it's the PARENTS job to ALWAYS be ready to go. I feel these small food issues are unnatural, there is SOMETHING in our society causing these problems, and sadly I think it's the fault of our FDA allowing so much unnatural [censored] added into our foods. I don't know what the answer is, unfortunately. It's like Autism, the rates are skyrocketing over the past 2 decades, and nobody knows why, nor will anybody even admit that it's an actual problem and try to search for the cause even!
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It's like Autism, the rates are skyrocketing over the past 2 decades, and nobody knows why, nor will anybody even admit that it's an actual problem and try to search for the cause even!
Likely a matter of reporting rates.
It's like Autism, the rates are skyrocketing over the past 2 decades, and nobody knows why, nor will anybody even admit that it's an actual problem and try to search for the cause even!
Likely a matter of reporting rates.
Originally Posted By: Tempest
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It's like Autism, the rates are skyrocketing over the past 2 decades, and nobody knows why, nor will anybody even admit that it's an actual problem and try to search for the cause even!
Likely a matter of reporting rates.
Why investigate when speculation is enough.
Anyone older interacting with today's youth can tell something's amiss.
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It's like Autism, the rates are skyrocketing over the past 2 decades, and nobody knows why, nor will anybody even admit that it's an actual problem and try to search for the cause even!
Likely a matter of reporting rates.
Why investigate when speculation is enough.
Anyone older interacting with today's youth can tell something's amiss.
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