Paying for organs?

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Shannow posted on another thread that a wealthy man in Australia paid for a kidney.

Should people be allowed to sell a spare body part? I saw a news report about this last year. Some people were abhorred. I guess thay never had a loved one who needed an organ to live. Is this an ethical/ moral issue or a practical issue?
 
Groucho,

It is both a moral/ethical issue and a practical one.

Is is right to sell organs on the market? Is it right to withhold an organ from someone who is poor?

If we dont control it there is sure to be a huge black market for those who can afford it.

All I have now on this is questions rather than answers.

Dan
 
Before I continue, I don't fall on either side of this issue but would like to explore it.

What we basically get down to is a willing buyer and willing seller. If one is against it on a moral ethical basis. so be it.

Many times people are driven into ethical purgatory to survive. Many would cite examples that prostitution is such a destination. My question, therefore, is if selling a kidney saves a person's life, how is prostitution more ethical or noble?

[ February 03, 2004, 02:21 PM: Message edited by: GROUCHO MARX ]
 
Al, not many people are aware of this, but in the African American community few organs are donated after death. There is a mistrust that the organs will only be used on wealthy caucasians.

This is quite a problem for people who have kidney failure in the African-American community as it is rare to find a non African-American who would be a compatible donor. The occurence of high blood pressure in this community is greater leading to more kidney stress and therefore a greater need for donation.
 
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Originally posted by GROUCHO MARX:
Al, not many people are aware of this, but in the African American community few organs are donated after death. There is a mistrust that the organs will only be used on wealthy caucasians.

This is quite a problem for people who have kidney failure in the African-American community as it is rare to find a non African-American who would be a compatible donor. The occurence of high blood pressure in this community is greater leading to more kidney stress and therefore a greater need for donation.


Yep-there you are those nasty old white masas' again
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As I said before, very bad ju-ju. Can you sell one of your kidneys to the highest bidder? Does that mean that a poor person's life isn't worth as much? Can you sell the organs of a dead parent or child? Like I said........pandora's box.
 
Can you sell one of your kidneys to the highest bidder?- Yes-whats the problem??

Does that mean that a poor person's life isn't worth as much? No it means the person is willing to sell a kidney. And get stuff (like food-to feed his family.

Can you sell the organs of a dead parent or child? Yes If the law permits. Again what's the problem with that?? It will save a person's life. I have a living will whereby my wife has permission to use whatever parts of me that are useful to someone. If she got money for it - so much the better. If it goes to a DemocRat that's fine with me.
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Sorry I see no Pandora's box here-I see only good things.
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Just an opinion though.
 
My personal opinion.

Deceased donor/cadaveric donation is going nowhere, public education is not working, we refuse to restrict the waiting list, and we spend "billions" of dollars a year for 80,000 people on the list. Time for a change! The cost per person is huge compared to other diseases, just huge!

We harm no one by paying a living donor to donate, so what if the wealthy get a donor. In all probability that paid donor was not going to donate to a pool or a relative or friend and the probability of the donor becoming a cadaveric donor in the future is the same as a snowball in **** . We have actually helped those on the waiting list by removing someone thus making the list smaller. No one is harmed. Now, as to the donor being coerced etc. , we can work rules and regs into the system. I am sure there are a zillion donors out there who were in some manner compensated by their recipient whether it be money, a car, who cares, it took someone off of the list and that donor would not have donated otherwise. Where did that long lost cousin come from for that recent NBA star that got the kidney, tell me a Mercedes was not in that cousins future!

If we are not willing to restrict the list as to who can get an organ then at least let us pay for those that are willing to take the risk for money.

The anount of regulation, oversight, patient input and goverment intervention in transplant is unlike any other field of medicine where money is a factor. Only in transplant do we try to be equitable to everyone. the rest of medicine, you don't have money or insurance and you don't get treated or get the best treatment. We have how many Americans without insurance, withoput pre natal care, and the children who have no immunizations etc. Remember the OJ trial, not everyone can get the best attorneys either. Life is not fair, medicine is not fair and it may be time to bring transplatation into the twenty first century. Everyone is making money on transplantation, from the surgeons, coordinators, OPOs, tissue banks etc. The ethicists that continue to proclaim their version of the right vs wrong of the world would pay for that kidney if their child needed one and they had the bucks to do it, I firmly believe that. I am so tired of these so called expert ethicists spouting off on their version of fair play, they need to leave academia and get into the real world of no insurance, and no hope.


By the way, I work in this field and my opinion is definitely not that of the docs and others. It amazes me though how often a doc in need of an organ seems to get one regardless of age. Not as bad as the Mickey Mantle fiasco of several years ago but one does wonder!

Whether we like Iran or not they have no waiting list, why, they pay any donor a years wages to donate and they have wiped out the waiting list for kidneys!

By the way, we are allowed to sell blood, sperm, female eggs but not kidneys?

[ February 03, 2004, 08:31 PM: Message edited by: Spector ]
 
Excellent post Spector. The whole thing reminds me of the Stem Cell Issue. I can't believe we live in a world where the most complete idiots sanctify themselves to decide who will be denied the benefits science could offer. Oh wait those are Senators and Congressmen who need to investigate everyone about everything and can't even run their own little Congressional Post Office without serious fraud
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Call it poetic justice but Ronald Regan, opposed the very thing that could be curing him and others of Alzheimers. Totally friggin' ridiculous.
 
I think the practice of paying blood donors stopped with the arrival of aids. I knew a few guys in the '70's who sold their blood and then got a real cheap buzz on about 3 beers. I think a couple of them might have been back fron 'Nam , but I wouldn't swear to that.
 
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Originally posted by GROUCHO MARX:
Would you equate this with prostitution on some level?

Well, how about breeding and raising children for spare parts?

I bet that goes beyond the line for most people. In poor countries it already is happening.

Dan
 
not to be too morbid, but there seems a decrease in available donors as the safety equipment (seat belts, abs, srs) and its use increased.

there was an epidemilogical study several years ago that indicated the higher levels of safety equipment was developing a false sense of confidence in drivers, leading to more risky behaviour. therefore, i propose increasing the number of donors by removing air bags from cars and replacing them with large spikes that spring forth during collisions.

whatever's left of me, they can use. as long as they can use smoked, pickled and road-rashed stuff. i'm planning on going out hot, so to speak.
 
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Originally posted by tweeker43:
not to be too morbid, but there seems a decrease in available donors as the safety equipment (seat belts, abs, srs) and its use increased.

Good safety equipment is also leading to more idiots in the gene pool. Used to, if you did something stupid they were pulling the windshield out of your dead noggin. No more. Now they survive to breed. I think the use and development of safety equipment should be banned. Thin the herd a little faster...

Dan
 
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