I just figured you'd get bored of telling people you don't like them eventually. I don't know who you're trying to convince. Anyone who gets as riled as you about EVs already hates them and the rest of us buyers just know that you're bloviating nonsense. It's wasted finger exercise.
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And yet you replied in less than an hour.
I'm not the one arguing against something. That says a lot more about you than me. I had time in my day today though. lolAnd yet you replied in less than an hour.
Just stating some facts you don't want to hear or believe. You seem to be running defense pretty well yourself.
"Facts"
There's not one piece you jump on that isn't blown out of proportion. It's the news in general. Designed to call to action people for a purpose. You're playing your part well. It's fine that it's what you believe, but there's some reality not realized when you don't actually have experience with the product. That's what makes it hard to have a discussion. You're so convinced you're right that you don't realize it isn't even remotely as serious as they want you to believe. I'm not sure what possesses you to come on a forum to try and tell EV owners why they're wrong when we live with the cars daily. It would be really difficult to live with an ICE vehicle if we didn't know how to put gas in them. This really isn't much different. We just haven't been doing it for 50+ years. It's really simple for people who do it everyday regardless of what your news stories tell you.
It’s way too premature to know the fire risk associated with electric vehicles.
Will know more in another 10 years if we ever get to the point that 100 million electric only vehicles are on the road which would be 1/3 of the cars on the road in the USA.
I’m not saying good or bad. I’m just saying we can’t compare gasoline vehicles and percentages regarding fires when there’s 300 million gasoline vehicles, many of them old and predate the electric vehicles and only 5 million electric vehicles in the USA mostly all new and current.
I would suggest we have 95 million more electric bagels to get on the roadways to know if there’s any increased risk of serious fires.
Here I agree. But therein lies the problem. EV's are currently only 1 percent of the entire vehicle market in this country.
And at the rate they're going, the asteroid is going to hit before they ever get enough of these things on the road to acquire ANY kind of meaningful data, to accurately compare them to the 99 percent of ICE vehicles that currently exist.
The FACT is, (and there is no getting around this), 1 percent of the market involving anything, isn't enough to matter. It's all static and noise that the bulk of people will simply dismiss.
That and even with ICE the most troublesome are older cars from part failures and lack of maintenance. Any new vehicle fire is fairly rare which is why it's such a big story when there is a recall. I will be curious to see how age plays a part. We do know really bad accidents that have undetected battery damage catching fire later does happen so I wonder what will happen with rough high mileage abused vehicles. There are older EVs on the road, but they are such an oddity due to sales numbers that I'm sure most of the ones we see on the road are less than 5 years old. I see gen 1 Model S's on occasion, but not often.
Like you said we can speculate, but there's just not enough data yet. It might be nearly nothing, it might be something.
Or blow out of proportion. There's not enough data points.
Please. You are not posting facts. I have owned our Model 3 since Dec 2018. There are probably 10 EVs on my block; Tesla 3, Y and X, Bolts, Hyundais and a Nissan I think. Hybrids as well, but I'm not sure if you hate them too. I have a hybrid, as well.
The Model Y (1.15M) was the #1 selling car in the world last year, and it's not exactly a cheap car. The Corolla, much cheaper, sold 1.13M, then RAV4 with 935K sold.
While they are not for everyone, owners love these cars. You are drawing up your own conclusions to support your bias. That's hardly factual.
By the way, some call me a fanboi, but perhaps they might look at my vehicle list. My favorite is the Tundra. Or maybe the '65 4-4-2.
Could'a fooled me, at least according to the locals here... Ha!
If I had to guess, and I am not an electrician I am just paid to be one on BITOG, the charging fires could be in large part due to faulty wiring. Just a guess. I've seen some pretty funky stuff in older houses like mine. Scary. The electrician who installed our Tesla Wall Charger has installed hundreds of them.
Come back and tell me something when you have something worth listening to..... And 1 percent of the market isn't "blown out of proportion". It's simply a factual number you don't want to hear.
Too bad, its not my fault that after decades of these over priced toy's being on the market, that's the best they can do sales wise. There's a good reason for that..... The bulk of the buying public simply don't want them. Yet another fact you refuse to swallow, let alone digest.
Here's a fact for you: the Model Y is the #1 selling car in the world. The Model 3 is #7, I believe. Somebody's buying them, right?
I supplied the numbers in post #70, for your reference.
When EV's get 20 percent of the market, then let us know....... Assuming any of us are still alive by then.
Numbers are worthless, not to mention meaningless, when all they comprise is 1 percent of the entire vehicle market.
Jay Leno's "Eco Jet" car can post some pretty impressive numbers as well. But can you find 10 people in a room who actually care?
Gee, now who doesn't like facts?
Electric vehicles in California made up 25% of the new car market last year, up from nearly 19% in 2022. We lead the nation in car sales, by a bunch. Regardless, EV market share vs ICE has slowed, but is still increasing.
Look, each to their own. I have said a million times, EVs are not for everyone. Neither are Bro-Dozers, Porsches, Caddys or even F-150s. You name it.
I would like to hear your thoughts after you've owned a Tesla Y for 5 years. I can tell you my EV ownership opinions have changed dramatically.
What I think doesn't matter. Look, you can try to skew this any way you want. But you cannot get around the fact EV's only make up....... Wait for it....... 1 percent of all vehicles on the road today.
And once again that number is far too insignificant to matter. Until it becomes 20 percent or more, none of it ever will matter. They remain nothing more than expensive toys that some people enjoy playing with.
OK, but that's probably news to VW, BMW, GM, Ford, Porsche and everyone else who are putting billion$ into their EV projects.
Even Rolls:
I bet a very high percent of that is because of the insane prices people are paying there for gas. Give them the $3.19/gallon we pay here for gas and my bet is that number drops drastically. I also bet the insane price for gas in CA is a reason why people are leaving the state, I'll refrain from stating the other reasons. Here's something to ponder, choke a person long enough and they'll submit. The same can be said for the price of gas and EV ownership in CA, I bet a lot of people submitted.
There is no doubt this is true. It is a key reason I started driving the Model 3 more; I was not really that interested early on. But my interest peaked as I experienced the benefits of ownership, not to mention just how much fun the Model 3 is.
Gas is expensive here; housing is worse. There is also a lot of money and opportunity around here; we are a huge economy that the entire country benefits from.
You did well leaving thinly veiled political hit jobs out of your response. Kudos for that.
Here are additional reasons Californians buy a lot of pure EVs and hybrids, beyond the obvious gas cost savings:
Car pool lane use (something I was strongly against)
Environmentally conscious
Early adopters
Tax incentives (anything to offset some of my tax bracket!)
Lower maintenance vs ICE, especially vs expensive ICE
Lotsa techophiles; we like tech!
Very high per capital income (Lotta beautiful high-end German cars around here)
Torque, torque and more torque (aka fast)
Easy "fueling" at home vs gas stations
And reviving the failed Fremont plant; hiring tens of thousands of workers (this was key for me)
People may agree or disagree with these reasons, or flat out not believe them. But these are reasons cited by customers.
A more current reason is repeat buys due to satisfaction.
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