"Park Outside" Recalls Are Soaring

[Torrid]

Come back and tell me something when you have something worth listening to..... And 1 percent of the market isn't "blown out of proportion". It's simply a factual number you don't want to hear.

Too bad, its not my fault that after decades of these over priced toy's being on the market, that's the best they can do sales wise. There's a good reason for that..... The bulk of the buying public simply don't want them. Yet another fact you refuse to swallow, let alone digest.

The market isn't the "facts" I'm disputing, it's all the things you claim about how they're used and all the bad things that supposedly happen to them. You can call these things facts all you want, it doesn't actually make it a fact. You can not want them all you want. I just don't know why you feel the need to continue on about how you don't want one. None of us are trying to convince you to buy one, so I don't know why you feel the need to argue constantly about why you won't buy one. Seriously we don't care that you don't want one. The only thing any of us care is that you feel the need to lie about supposed facts to support your opinion.

 

[demarpaint]

There is no doubt this is true. It is a key reason I started driving the Model 3 more; I was not really that interested early on. But my interest peaked as I experienced the benefits of ownership, not to mention just how much fun the Model 3 is.

Gas is expensive here; housing is worse. There is also a lot of money and opportunity around here; we are a huge economy that the entire country benefits from.
You did well leaving thinly veiled political hit jobs out of your response. Kudos for that.

Here are additional reasons Californians buy a lot of pure EVs and hybrids, beyond the obvious gas cost savings:
Car pool lane use (something I was strongly against)
Environmentally conscious
Early adopters
Tax incentives (anything to offset some of my tax bracket!)
Lower maintenance vs ICE, especially vs expensive ICE
Lotsa techophiles; we like tech!
Very high per capital income (Lotta beautiful high-end German cars around here)
Torque, torque and more torque (aka fast)
Easy "fueling" at home vs gas stations
And reviving the failed Fremont plant; hiring tens of thousands of workers (this was key for me)

People may agree or disagree with these reasons, or flat out not believe them. But these are reasons cited by customers.
A more current reason is repeat buys due to satisfaction.

Everyone has their reasons, no disputing that. Some of your reasons, and many more are why a lot people won't buy them, but it is all good. IMO if the choke hold in CA was loosened up, the numbers would drop, and less people would leave the state. NY is very similar to CA in a lot of ways unfortunately, and trust me there is plenty of money here along with lower gas prices, high tax rates, and expensive housing. People are running away from here too, but we don't have the same regard for EVs, the amount of them around seems to prove that.

 

[billt460]

....... Porsche and everyone else who are putting billion$ into their EV projects.

Look, simply apply common sense. And posting pictures of a Rolls Royce parked in a vineyard isn't it. Pouring money into an expensive project doesn't guarantee financial success. Does DeLorean ring a bell? There is a certain segment of the purchasing public who are fascinated by these things. They can't wait to buy them.

And most all of them have a second ICE vehicle to save them on long trips, and for towing any toys they might already have and like to use. In the last 20 years or so that amounts to a bit less than 1% of new car shoppers.

As for everyone else, where are they, and where have they been for the last 2 decades these things have been around? Most of them are much less fascinated by them, and for the most part, totally unimpressed. They simply see too many faults in them to even considering buying them. Not to mention most of them are priced far too high for what they are.... Incentives and all.

Then in marches the government to try and push people into buying them. By offering tax rebates, which had very little effect on the sales. Next came scaring them into buying them with dated mandates, when they would force the end of new ICE vehicle sales. That's not working. It's just aggravating most of them enough to stay away for good.

None of this is the sign of a great product that is going to revolutionize an entire industry. That's not how capitalism works. If these things were simply better, they would sell. They're not, and they don't. 1% of a market is nothing..... Especially after over 2 decades. At least not in any appreciable numbers to impact an entire industry, that's been around for well over a century.

Look at pocket calculators, LED light bulbs, microwave ovens, flat screen TV's, home computers, and I could go on and on. These were amazing products that took over an entire industry in just a couple of years. Try to find an incandescent light bulb today. Or a picture tube TV.

They no longer exist because they were replaced by something far superior and better. None of that is the case with EV's today. They're still trying to be "just as good" as what they're trying so desperately to replace.

And the fact is they're not. And not even the government can make them successful. They're just proving the fact no one wants them en masse with all of their political shenanigans.

 

[demarpaint]

As for everyone else, where are they, and where have they been for the last 2 decades these things have been around? Most of them are much less fascinated by them, and for the most part, totally unimpressed. They simply see too many faults in them to even considering buying them. Not to mention most of them are priced far too high for what they are.... Incentives and all.

Then in marches the government to try and push people into buying them. By offering tax rebates, which had very little effect on the sales. Next came scaring them into buying them with dated mandates, when they would force the end of new ICE vehicle sales. That's not working. It's just aggravating most of them enough to stay away for good.

Good post, these two paragraphs stick out to me, especially the second paragraph. It is exactly how I feel and the birds of a feather I flock together with. We want no part of them, in fact double the incentive and it's still a hard no.