I cut this filter open mostly out of curiosity, I don't know what (if anything) to make out of the overall condition so any info is appreciated.
P1 (PL14006), 3500 miles, PP 5w30
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Looks like some moisture got in your oil(wavy pleats) when was this oil in use? winter,short trips,coolant leak?
Just a [censored] filter. They have gained popularity like many brands and then they cut quality.
Originally Posted By: chubbs1
Just a [censored] filter. They have gained popularity like many brands and then they cut quality.
It's called moisture intrusion and if you would do any type of reading/searching instead of posting useless post like you did you would see no filter is immune to this problem, they all will do it has nothing to do with "cutting quality".
this site is about facts and your posts has none what so ever, please educate your self.
Just a [censored] filter. They have gained popularity like many brands and then they cut quality.
It's called moisture intrusion and if you would do any type of reading/searching instead of posting useless post like you did you would see no filter is immune to this problem, they all will do it has nothing to do with "cutting quality".
this site is about facts and your posts has none what so ever, please educate your self.
Originally Posted By: daman
Looks like some moisture got in your oil(wavy pleats) when was this oil in use? winter,short trips,coolant leak?
Oil was use for 1 year, from December 2009 to yesterday. Not driven more than a few hundred miles in the winter and no short trips. Not sure about coolant although the last run did not have any signs of coolant and the car only has ~22,000 miles on it.
Looks like some moisture got in your oil(wavy pleats) when was this oil in use? winter,short trips,coolant leak?
Oil was use for 1 year, from December 2009 to yesterday. Not driven more than a few hundred miles in the winter and no short trips. Not sure about coolant although the last run did not have any signs of coolant and the car only has ~22,000 miles on it.
Condensation would be my bet, especially since the oil has been in there for a year and only 3500 miles.
In use for one year including cold tepms you can bet there was some moisture at one point in time there had to be,we've seen many many P1's posted with longer mileages and had nice strait pleats.
moisture is the most likely cause,you'll even see this in air filters if used in a damp moist environment,the moisture swells the pleats and makes them grow thus the waviness.
moisture is the most likely cause,you'll even see this in air filters if used in a damp moist environment,the moisture swells the pleats and makes them grow thus the waviness.
People will defend P1's on this site more than they defend Pennzoil, all I was saying it was a bad apple, unfortunately there have been more than a few posted lately. I stick to my comment, but I also use them at times. I don't have a vendetta towards Purolator. daman, I really enjoy your posts, but I say come up with scientific evidence for this. filters are subjected to very "adverse" environments and don't warp so neither of us know the real reason this filter is in such bad shape.
Originally Posted By: chubbs1
... filters are subjected to very "adverse" environments and don't warp so neither of us know the real reason this filter is in such bad shape.
That's why you see quite a few cut open filters with a few wavy pleats ... and it doesn't really matter what brand they are, they all can do it give the right conditions.
... filters are subjected to very "adverse" environments and don't warp so neither of us know the real reason this filter is in such bad shape.
That's why you see quite a few cut open filters with a few wavy pleats ... and it doesn't really matter what brand they are, they all can do it give the right conditions.
I really wouldn't say the filter is in "bad shape". It is a little wavy, but for a filter that was in use for a year, that isn't really abnormal. It looks good for being in service for a year, and the pleats being wavy isn't going to have any adverse effects on the filters performance.
Originally Posted By: chubbs1
People will defend P1's on this site more than they defend Pennzoil, all I was saying it was a bad apple, unfortunately there have been more than a few posted lately. I stick to my comment, but I also use them at times. I don't have a vendetta towards Purolator. daman, I really enjoy your posts, but I say come up with scientific evidence for this. filters are subjected to very "adverse" environments and don't warp so neither of us know the real reason this filter is in such bad shape.
I under stand that and do not have a issue with you either,BUT posts like you did above shooting from the hip type thing brings no merit or worth to a thread for people looking for guidance/answers,remember.
your opinion is just that,but a site search shows that in all reality allot of times moisture had a hand it's condition.
People will defend P1's on this site more than they defend Pennzoil, all I was saying it was a bad apple, unfortunately there have been more than a few posted lately. I stick to my comment, but I also use them at times. I don't have a vendetta towards Purolator. daman, I really enjoy your posts, but I say come up with scientific evidence for this. filters are subjected to very "adverse" environments and don't warp so neither of us know the real reason this filter is in such bad shape.
I under stand that and do not have a issue with you either,BUT posts like you did above shooting from the hip type thing brings no merit or worth to a thread for people looking for guidance/answers,remember.
your opinion is just that,but a site search shows that in all reality allot of times moisture had a hand it's condition.
Originally Posted By: cronk
I really wouldn't say the filter is in "bad shape". It is a little wavy, but for a filter that was in use for a year, that isn't really abnormal. It looks good for being in service for a year, and the pleats being wavy isn't going to have any adverse effects on the filters performance.
Right the filters in pretty good shape IMO, just commenting WHY and a possibility what caused the waves.
I really wouldn't say the filter is in "bad shape". It is a little wavy, but for a filter that was in use for a year, that isn't really abnormal. It looks good for being in service for a year, and the pleats being wavy isn't going to have any adverse effects on the filters performance.
Right the filters in pretty good shape IMO, just commenting WHY and a possibility what caused the waves.
Originally Posted By: daman
In use for one year including cold tepms you can bet there was some moisture at one point in time there had to be,we've seen many many P1's posted with longer mileages and had nice strait pleats.
moisture is the most likely cause,you'll even see this in air filters if used in a damp moist environment,the moisture swells the pleats and makes them grow thus the waviness.
So I guess I can also "extrapolate" from the data and fact that daman has given and say any oil filter used in a moist, humid environment and the chance for cold temps, you will have a waves that are surf worthy in your oil filter.
That is insulting!
In use for one year including cold tepms you can bet there was some moisture at one point in time there had to be,we've seen many many P1's posted with longer mileages and had nice strait pleats.
moisture is the most likely cause,you'll even see this in air filters if used in a damp moist environment,the moisture swells the pleats and makes them grow thus the waviness.
So I guess I can also "extrapolate" from the data and fact that daman has given and say any oil filter used in a moist, humid environment and the chance for cold temps, you will have a waves that are surf worthy in your oil filter.
That is insulting!
Originally Posted By: chubbs1
Originally Posted By: daman
In use for one year including cold tepms you can bet there was some moisture at one point in time there had to be,we've seen many many P1's posted with longer mileages and had nice strait pleats.
moisture is the most likely cause,you'll even see this in air filters if used in a damp moist environment,the moisture swells the pleats and makes them grow thus the waviness.
So I guess I can also "extrapolate" from the data and fact that daman has given and say any oil filter used in a moist, humid environment and the chance for cold temps, you will have a waves that are surf worthy in your oil filter.
That is insulting!
The rest of the evening why don't you search the filter forums and READ!!!see what members comment on.
didn't i say "most likely cause" and not thee cause??? read....
Originally Posted By: daman
In use for one year including cold tepms you can bet there was some moisture at one point in time there had to be,we've seen many many P1's posted with longer mileages and had nice strait pleats.
moisture is the most likely cause,you'll even see this in air filters if used in a damp moist environment,the moisture swells the pleats and makes them grow thus the waviness.
So I guess I can also "extrapolate" from the data and fact that daman has given and say any oil filter used in a moist, humid environment and the chance for cold temps, you will have a waves that are surf worthy in your oil filter.
That is insulting!
The rest of the evening why don't you search the filter forums and READ!!!see what members comment on.
didn't i say "most likely cause" and not thee cause??? read....
I'm left scratching my head as to where the water would be coming from in this case. I understand that it's possible for moisture to have caused this but based on the usage of the vehicle it doesn't seem to fit.
Have you ever looked under the oil fill cap and see any water droplets during winter months? is this the first filter you've cut open on that vehicle?
Originally Posted By: cronk
I really wouldn't say the filter is in "bad shape". It is a little wavy, but for a filter that was in use for a year, that isn't really abnormal. It looks good for being in service for a year, and the pleats being wavy isn't going to have any adverse effects on the filters performance.
+1 The wavy media could well be indicative of some moisture intrusion as daman said, but nothing in the media/filtration looks compromised. Doesn't look as uniform as PL14610 I posted after 1year OCI/7k, but I don't see anything wrong with some wavy media. And, 1 year in New England temp change (condensation), tougher than 1 year in NC.
And for those doubting the moisture/cooolant possibilty, there is a P1 thread here that says his car beat a P1. Turned out to be a coolant leak. Not saying that happened here, this could be normal 1 year use. 3500 miles isn't much for a year, sounds like the car set some.
Not bad.
I really wouldn't say the filter is in "bad shape". It is a little wavy, but for a filter that was in use for a year, that isn't really abnormal. It looks good for being in service for a year, and the pleats being wavy isn't going to have any adverse effects on the filters performance.
+1 The wavy media could well be indicative of some moisture intrusion as daman said, but nothing in the media/filtration looks compromised. Doesn't look as uniform as PL14610 I posted after 1year OCI/7k, but I don't see anything wrong with some wavy media. And, 1 year in New England temp change (condensation), tougher than 1 year in NC.
And for those doubting the moisture/cooolant possibilty, there is a P1 thread here that says his car beat a P1. Turned out to be a coolant leak. Not saying that happened here, this could be normal 1 year use. 3500 miles isn't much for a year, sounds like the car set some.
Not bad.
Originally Posted By: daman
Have you ever looked under the oil fill cap and see any water droplets during winter months? is this the first filter you've cut open on that vehicle?
It is the first filter I have cut open for this car. I'll have to try it again. I don't have a good tool to do it with, that's why I don't often cut them open.
I've never seen water droplets on the fill cap. As I said though, it only got used a few times during the winter months so that may have limited potential for condensation on the cap.
Have you ever looked under the oil fill cap and see any water droplets during winter months? is this the first filter you've cut open on that vehicle?
It is the first filter I have cut open for this car. I'll have to try it again. I don't have a good tool to do it with, that's why I don't often cut them open.
I've never seen water droplets on the fill cap. As I said though, it only got used a few times during the winter months so that may have limited potential for condensation on the cap.
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