Overseas flights -- how do you deal with it?

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Originally Posted By: TWG1572
...When that happens I make it my business to make them as uncomfortable as they are making me. Bounce the seat with my legs every 3-5 minutes, etc...

I go with a 3-5 second interval.
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jeff
 
I've done more than my share of trips like the following picture. Even in the lap of luxury, it gets old (but comfortable though) . I was a Flight Mechanic for many years. I went everywhere the Gulfstream went. Often flying home and back out on the airlines, if the Gulfstream was sitting for a while.



My suggestion, stay away from the drugs and the alcohol. It may make the trip better, but the end result is often far worse.

The best way to deal with the time aloft is to simply understand that it's not actually that long. There are no commercial aircraft that can remain aloft for 24 hours, for example. Common flights are often less than 10 hours. To me, that's simple.

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I don't get the issue with reclining in coach.You can usually extend your legs under the seat in front of you unless you stuffed your [censored] down there.
 
Originally Posted By: cbear
I don't get the issue with reclining in coach.You can usually extend your legs under the seat in front of you unless you stuffed your [censored] down there.

The issue in general is that the person reclining is forcing additional discomfort on the person behind them. I'm 6'3" tall and have no excess space, being reclined on forces me to contort my body (either by keeping my legs extended, or pulling them way up and resting my knees high on the seatback, or turning sideways and spilling out into the aisle, etc) in ways that are uncomfortable and that I otherwise wouldn't have to do.

I love the mental gymnastics the recliners use to justify it.

jeff
 
From east coast USA to UK is a piece of cake. As you guys well know, a good amount of the first 4 years on BITOG I was traveling to China. All I can say it was nasty. You know there are actual words to describe people who board a 14 hour flight with a kid in diapers and the only diaper they have is already on the kid's backside. Yes it was filled within the first hour of flight and it stunk. I mean it stunk so bad a couple people vomited. So, now what do you think it smelled like in that sealed aluminum tube? Yeah, well the stewardesses didn't even get the message when I told them that the parents need to change the kids diaper and I would give them a T shirt to strap to his sorry [censored]. Eventually (3-4 hours?) someone managed to "find" a diaper.....wow...I guess it was an Indian dialect issue.

Every second or third flight, I could pop up to business class. That was sweet. Other than that, I rarely travel for work and I'm way better off for it. Thank you very much.

Sorry, but reclining a seat that is meant to recline is in no way rude. At best it seems a hopeful request by some. If you don't have enough leg room, then there are other remedies than penalizing the people with neck issues who need to recline.
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Sorry, but reclining a seat that is meant to recline is in no way rude. At best it seems a hopeful request by some. If you don't have enough leg room, then there are other remedies than penalizing the people with neck issues who need to recline.

Whatever helps you sleep at night
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I'd love to know what these remedies you speak of are - upgrading to business or first is not a practical option and the exit rows, economy plus, etc seats are frequently not available (believe me I try every time).

Fundamental point - reclining your seat takes away space from the person behind you so that you may have it instead. That is a judgement-neutral fact. My judgement is that it's profoundly rude and antisocial. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

Now, if the person in front of me told me that they have a bad neck or back and would like to recline, I'd be willing to negotiate an acceptable compromise. Like I said in my original post, we're all in this together. I would suggest that they recline just a little bit, or maybe that we take turns - they get 15 mins or so reclined, then I get an equal amount of time with them sitting up. I'm a reasonable person. People who fully recline their seat the second the plane takes off are unreasonable sociopaths.

jeff
 
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Originally Posted By: greenjp
People who fully recline their seat the second the plane takes off are unreasonable sociopaths.



Not sure if you should label people so quickly. Sociopath? Really??


Originally Posted By: greenjp
Fundamental point - reclining your seat takes away space from the person behind you so that you may have it instead. That is a judgement-neutral fact.


I don't think your logic is all the sound. My take is the space belongs to the airline company. We are merely renting the space. That space includes the amenities of a reclining seat and the space occupied by said seat in any position.

For the record so not to be labeled a "Sociopath" - I vary my seat position throughout the flight.
 
I'm using the term sociopath tongue-in-cheekly. Intentionally over the top to make my point clear. See my second post. The definition of antisocial personality disorder (aka sociopath) requires that a person exhibit at least 3 of 7 behaviors, one of which is "...lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another;"

So if you believe as I do that reclining your seat constititues stealing someone else's space (IMO major mental gymnastics are required to justify any other conclusion), and know firsthand that that theft causes discomfort and pain, and then see people who recline being indifferent to and/or rationalizing that theft, well you've got 1 of the 3 behaviors checked off.

Even if you somehow conclude that it's your "right" to recline your seat, there's no amount of mental gymnastics that will explain away the fact that you are causing discomfort for another person so that you may be more comfortable.

jeff
 
I do not mind when the person in front of me reclines their seat. I realize that we are in this sardine can together and them avoiding serious bodily injuries are more important than the small inconvenience of it. After all, when everybody reclines their seats, there is no change in the available space between the seats.
 
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
...After all, when everybody reclines their seats, there is no change in the available space between the seats.

Wrong. The seatback reclines but the seat bottom does not move. The hinge is typically below the level of the seat. So the act of reclining only causes your upper body to go back. Your legs are still in the same place. When the person in front of you reclines, it eats into what little legroom you had and there is no way for you to get it back by reclining yourself.

Shorter people will likely have a much greater tolerance for being reclined on. But when reclining makes your legroom go from 1" to -2", you have no tolerance.

jeff
 
I think it depends on you and the person in front. I am 5'10" and wouldn't mind people in front reclining, and didn't realize it makes life miserable for people behind me.

For god's sake just ask the person in front if they mind swapping or not recline next time, people may not know how this make you feel if you don't tell.
 
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
I think it depends on you and the person in front. I am 5'10" and wouldn't mind people in front reclining, and didn't realize it makes life miserable for people behind me.

For god's sake just ask the person in front if they mind swapping or not recline next time, people may not know how this make you feel if you don't tell.

I'm curious to know if the recliners are willing to reconsider their position on this now that they have the knowledge that they do in fact have the potential for making things miserable for the person behind them.

As to your second point, per my first post: "And do not hesitate to ask the person in front of you not to." I am aware that some people might not realize it bothers the person in front of them. That's ok, sometimes people just need to be made aware.

jeff
 
Originally Posted By: greenjp
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
...After all, when everybody reclines their seats, there is no change in the available space between the seats.

Wrong. The seatback reclines but the seat bottom does not move. The hinge is typically below the level of the seat. So the act of reclining only causes your upper body to go back. Your legs are still in the same place. When the person in front of you reclines, it eats into what little legroom you had and there is no way for you to get it back by reclining yourself.

Shorter people will likely have a much greater tolerance for being reclined on. But when reclining makes your legroom go from 1" to -2", you have no tolerance.

jeff


I'm 5'10" and I've been on planes where I've just had leg-room with the seat back up to having my knees jammed against the seat back in front of me due when the seat back in front of me was reclined.

As greenjp says, even if I recline my own seat back I don't gain back the leg-room because of the location of the hinge.

Sure, if you have a medical condition that makes it more comfortable for you to recline the seat go ahead but there's no way that there's that many people out there with medical conditions.

Also, with the seat back reclined you are making it much harder for the people in the row behind you to get in & out of their seats.
 
For any long flight, try to board really tired, which will let you sleep away many of the hours of boredom.
Wear a fleece pullover or jacket, since it tends to be cold in flight and you can always shed it if you get too warm.
The supplied tiny blankets and pillows are not enough and there may not be enough to go around anyway.
Bring a really engaging if not necessarily uplifting book and read it when you are awake.
Bring your laptop if you're going to anyway.
A few DVDs and you'll be set.
You can sometimes see interesting things out the windows, like other airliners going the other way as well as surface ships.
You will not observe airliners flying westbound during the times you'll be eastbound, but you can sometimes see the lights of surface ships if it's clear.
You will be flying eastbound at night.
A long flight is not all that much fun itself, but there is no other way to cross the Atlantic, unless you get passenger accomodation on a freighter (you can) or you cross on a cruise ship on its way to Europe for the summer, or on its way back to a Florida port or San Juan for the winter.
A cruise ship being repositioned is a pretty cheap and luxurious way to travel, but takes days rather than hours.
If I had the time, I'd take days in a cruise ship over hours in an airliner any day of the week, but most of us not yet in retirement can't spare that kind of time just for the journey.
Be happy to know that a flight acros the Pacific is much longer than your Atlantic crossing will be.
 
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