Our pockets and the oil spill!

[LS2JSTS]

Originally Posted By: Geo_Prizm
Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
Who is insisting on oil?

You have a better/cheaper/safer idea to run the world? Lets hear it, or better yet, go out and make yourself rich off of it.

How about we make WI the nuclear reactor center of the nation and power the entire grid from there. Would that be ok in your backyard?





I support nuclear power.It has its risks too but not even close to magnitude of the risk of offshore drilling.They can not even reach the area of damage.Technology seems to be of no help yet to stop the gushing oil from the seabed.In producing nuclear energy the expertise and the capability&control is within our hands.

Every state should have hundreds of nuclear reactors, not just WI and cars should use nuclear power, electric for now.


While I too support nuclear energy and its expansion. I wouldnt say that it poses less of a magnitude of threat than does oil exploration/production. That is unless you value the life of a Peligan as equal to a Human life.

Usually the same people shouting against offshore drilling are the ones who rail agaist any new nuclear plant being built, especially if it's anywhere near them. My point was that while they rail against present energy solutions, they always fail to provide or allow for a suitable safer/cheaper/safer alternative.

 

[Gary Allan]

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I dont give a toss, can we put Peligans in little vises and smush oil out of the dead ones that wash up on shore. I am still that guy that wants to turn the planet upside down and shake all the goodies out.


I sense your attempting to mask your "green" side. You're clearly very into not wasting valuable resources and recycling. You can't fool me.

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I still ask that what would we do or be doing had this been a natural event instead of man-made? And I still say nature has a way of repairing itself, no matter what.


You can't avoid natural disasters. We cope with them as best we can. Nature may or may not "restore" itself. Whatever are the results of natural or artificially induced events is what Nature is.


I don't like gas going up either. I also think that this is a very serious event.

 

[LS2JSTS]

How much oil is released in those natural occuring sea bed oil fields near San Diego. And does anybody know if there are large numbers of similar fields around the world?

I've heard that deep water fissures can release massive amounts of oil into the sea, but how often does that happen and how much is just speculation?

If this article is right, then offshore drilling has cut down on natural seepage. Therefore you could say its environmentaly friendly, right....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2484481/posts

 

[Gary Allan]

Hey

sooner or later we'll get to it all. I hope that there are few of these types of events.

 

[Pablo]

I see no one has inside knowledge. I got some info yesterday. Interesting. Nothing sinister, but our press is so very lame.

 

[ddrumman2004]

Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
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I dont give a toss, can we put Peligans in little vises and smush oil out of the dead ones that wash up on shore. I am still that guy that wants to turn the planet upside down and shake all the goodies out.


I sense your attempting to mask your "green" side. You're clearly very into not wasting valuable resources and recycling. You can't fool me.

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I still ask that what would we do or be doing had this been a natural event instead of man-made? And I still say nature has a way of repairing itself, no matter what.


You can't avoid natural disasters. We cope with them as best we can. Nature may or may not "restore" itself. Whatever are the results of natural or artificially induced events is what Nature is.


I don't like gas going up either. I also think that this is a very serious event.


Me? A "green" side? Laughing my you know what off!!!!
I'm as far away from green as black is to white.

And by the way, I don't recycle.

True this is a serious event, in some folks eyes, just not mine. If I'm going to worry about something, it's going to be.....well...I can't say it on this forum because it's on a topic that's forbidden.

But I will say I worry about my young son's and grandkid's future! My son especially since he's autistic.

 

[jmac]

Originally Posted By: Pablo
I see no one has inside knowledge. I got some info yesterday. Interesting. Nothing sinister, but our press is so very lame.

Do Tell!

 

[Gary Allan]

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And by the way, I don't recycle.

I should have termed it "resource recovery"

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we put Peligans in little vises and smush oil out of the dead ones that wash up on shore.

Conservation at its best if you ask me

 

[Samilcar]

Originally Posted By: Pablo
I see no one has inside knowledge. I got some info yesterday. Interesting. Nothing sinister, but our press is so very lame.


What a tease. C'mon dude, it's just us and the internet. Spill the beans!

 

[LS2JSTS]

Originally Posted By: Pablo
I see no one has inside knowledge. I got some info yesterday. Interesting. Nothing sinister, but our press is so very lame.


Anything to do with bad casing?

Don't tease, please tell us!

 

[Geo_Prizm]

Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: Geo_Prizm


I support nuclear power.It has its risks too but not even close to magnitude of the risk of offshore drilling.They can not even reach the area of damage.Technology seems to be of no help yet to stop the gushing oil from the seabed.In producing nuclear energy the expertise and the capability&control is within our hands.

Every state should have hundreds of nuclear reactors, not just WI and cars should use nuclear power, electric for now.


How many oil rigs are there? How many operate 24 hours a day ALL year long?

How many accidents/incidents have there been in the US?

If you are really concerned with the "risks" of off shore drilling then you must not EVER get into a automobile. Or walk outside on a clear day because of the possibility of being hit by lightning.

Those actions have a much higher "magnitude" of risk than any oil rig IMO.

Bill


Lightning strikes me only, not a big part of an ocean.This mess keeps covering more and more areas of the ocean every passing second.It will stay there in the ocean forever.I like eating fish and I do not want dinosaur juice in my fish.That is it.

Nature has a way of restoring itself? Yes, up to a point.Greenhouse gases did damage the ozone layer, skin cancer cases increased even with the widespread use of sunscreens.I see restoration there. Saying nature restores itself so let us not be careful is similar to saying let us relieve ourselves outdoors and leave it there since nature restores itself.We do not do that.

 

[Ursae_Majoris]

Originally Posted By: Geo_Prizm
Greenhouse gases did damage the ozone layer

Psst, freon was the culprit, not "greenhouse gases". Most people associate CO2 with greenhouse gases (it is the most common one, but not the only one). CO2 has no effect on ozone.
Besides, last reading I did on the subject said that in was not proven 100% that freon was responsible for the holes in ozone layer in the polar regions.

 

[Shannow]

And magically, since we reigned in CFCs, there's been some recovery ?

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: jmac
Originally Posted By: Pablo
I see no one has inside knowledge. I got some info yesterday. Interesting. Nothing sinister, but our press is so very lame.

Do Tell!


Sorry I just got back in.

I work with a fellow who consulted in an odd way, with several oil field related companies via his knowledge of stats, reliability and valves. In a nutshell, he said they were working to free a broken drill of some sort, and having a muck of a time with it, and it was gassy. Of course didn't know the source of the spark.

He had related his experience earlier to me, that's why I asked him yesterday. He said the first time he went into B*k@r with their calculations on the reliability of the underwater head auto shutoff valves, it was like .30, they threw him out. When he went back with what it would take to make the reliability .90, they physically escorted him from the building. Anyway, these valves way deep underwater aren't all that reliable, or back when they weren't. I think these were rigs off the coast of Brazil.

 

[LS2JSTS]

Originally Posted By: Geo_Prizm



I like eating fish and I do not want dinosaur juice in my fish.That is it.

.....skin cancer cases increased even with the widespread use of sunscreens.


The oceans are deluged with massive amounts of oil on a daily basis...natural seepage and other natural ocean floor activity cant be avoided. Yet the ocean and the fish seem to deal with it, where does all that oil go?


Also, many are coming around to the belief that widespread use of sunscreen CAUSES cancer, or at least wont let those prone to develop skin cancer produce their own vitamin E in their skin and protect themselves naturally. My dermatologist says that sunscreen is worse than nothing, time exposure is the only relevant factor, and given the proper amount of exposure the typical person is better off with no sunscreen on.

 

[LS2JSTS]

D....should be vitamin D, sorry.

 

[Steve S]

Originally Posted By: Geo_Prizm
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: Geo_Prizm


I support nuclear power.It has its risks too but not even close to magnitude of the risk of offshore drilling.They can not even reach the area of damage.Technology seems to be of no help yet to stop the gushing oil from the seabed.In producing nuclear energy the expertise and the capability&control is within our hands.

Every state should have hundreds of nuclear reactors, not just WI and cars should use nuclear power, electric for now.


How many oil rigs are there? How many operate 24 hours a day ALL year long?

How many accidents/incidents have there been in the US?

If you are really concerned with the "risks" of off shore drilling then you must not EVER get into a automobile. Or walk outside on a clear day because of the possibility of being hit by lightning.

Those actions have a much higher "magnitude" of risk than any oil rig IMO.

Bill


Lightning strikes me only, not a big part of an ocean.This mess keeps covering more and more areas of the ocean every passing second.It will stay there in the ocean forever.I like eating fish and I do not want dinosaur juice in my fish.That is it.

Nature has a way of restoring itself? Yes, up to a point.Greenhouse gases did damage the ozone layer, skin cancer cases increased even with the widespread use of sunscreens.I see restoration there. Saying nature restores itself so let us not be careful is similar to saying let us relieve ourselves outdoors and leave it there since nature restores itself.We do not do that.
Sunlight destroys the ozone .03 very unstabil ,learned that in chem 101.

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: Pablo


I work with a fellow who consulted in an odd way, with several oil field related companies via his knowledge of stats, reliability and valves. In a nutshell, he said they were working to free a broken drill of some sort, and having a muck of a time with it, and it was gassy. Of course didn't know the source of the spark.


Press is getting the scoop

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: Pablo
He had related his experience earlier to me, that's why I asked him yesterday. He said the first time he went into B*k@r with their calculations on the reliability of the underwater head auto shutoff valves, it was like .30, they threw him out. When he went back with what it would take to make the reliability .90, they physically escorted him from the building.


I know how your friend feels.

I was once hired to commission an MDF factory.

I had a look at a particular part of the process and wrote a report that unless the design was changed, there was a significant fire risk, due to loose wood fibre being released into an area dripping hot oil.

Thought my customer would be appreciative that seeing as construction wasn't over, they could hold the manufacturer accountable for this design issue.

Manufacturer argued that as I'd never built an MDF factory before, I didn't know what I was talking about. My customer tried to get me to withdraw my report, with significant pressure and threats to do so.

Every now and then i run into factory workers, who clap me on the back and say "we had another one"...last count 6 fires, one major.

Companies want to run on "risk management", but never think they are going to lose a bet.

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: Pablo

Press is getting the scoop


That would be horrifying.

The engines (diesels and turbines ?) running over-aired, and swallowing stray NG would make it a nightmare.