O'reilly's house brands now both made by WIX- pics

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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
^^^ Still doesn't explain why this guy at the O'R parts counter thinks "Purolator has gone down hill fast lately".
He was likely experiencing a PEBKAC error at the time that he was looking up the information for the customer...
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Originally Posted By: edwardh1
And afterall, O'R is the parts chain that has gone from Purolator to Fram to Champ(ecore) and now to Wix made, for their MG filter line since ~2010.--------------------

it must be tough to sell to oreillys, seems they change vendors a lot- walmart is like that, sounds good, but hard to buy another one of whatever you got last month as they have changed vendors since u bought.


I've been a store manager at OR since 2008 and I don't recall Champion Labs being a vendor. When I came aboard, it was Purolator, then Fram and now Wix.

Regarding another poster's comment about parts counter jock's information being incorrect. He's spot on, but the mis-information is not only restricted to parts people but mechanics, customers and everyone! There are so many wives tales, myths and rumors in this industry that you don't know who to believe! I find that the best way to get the straight skinny is to do the research yourself or find a person whose opinion you trust and go with that. I could cite hundreds of myths, rumors etc. that I have heard over the 40+ years I have been in the auto industry. The problem is, when you finally tell folks the truth, they either don't believe you or don't want to hear what you tell them.

Mike
 
Originally Posted By: Mike Simmons


I've been a store manager at OR since 2008 and I don't recall Champion Labs being a vendor. When I came aboard, it was Purolator, then Fram and now Wix.

Regarding another poster's comment about parts counter jock's information being incorrect. He's spot on, but the mis-information is not only restricted to parts people but mechanics, customers and everyone! There are so many wives tales, myths and rumors in this industry that you don't know who to believe! I find that the best way to get the straight skinny is to do the research yourself or find a person whose opinion you trust and go with that.


Pretty sure O'Reilly had E-Core filters within the past few years and they were made by Champion Labs, just like the same SuperTech filters sold by WalMart.
As far as the person who you can trust, my local O'Reilly store goes through so much employee turnover that every time I go in there, there is another new face behind the counter. I'm not knocking the store too hard because it's the one that I go to when I need local parts, but one of the reasons that I go there is because AZ is much worse.
Edit: I just went downstairs and grabbed a MicroGard MGL8A that I still had from a previous oil and filter special and this filter is an E-Core (wide spaced inner plastic cage) with a 2012 copyright date on it, by Ozark Automotive Distributors. Also remember that Fram and Champion Labs are owned by the same company.
 
Originally Posted By: Mike Simmons
Originally Posted By: edwardh1
And afterall, O'R is the parts chain that has gone from Purolator to Fram to Champ(ecore) and now to Wix made, for their MG filter line since ~2010.--------------------

it must be tough to sell to oreillys, seems they change vendors a lot- walmart is like that, sounds good, but hard to buy another one of whatever you got last month as they have changed vendors since u bought.


I've been a store manager at OR since 2008 and I don't recall Champion Labs being a vendor. When I came aboard, it was Purolator, then Fram and now Wix.......

Now perhaps one can say that Champ went under the Fram banner at some point with Rank Group over both. But as the link below shows, the MicroGard was clearly made by Champ, including some ecore, and not the previous Fram orange can variant that O'R sold as the MicroGard after switching from being Purolator sourced. Thus I'll stand by my statement regarding the MG being Champ made after being Fram (orange can) sourced. Basically the Champ made MG was the same as the discontinued Wally SuperTech filter line. And even though Champ is now under the Fram banner, their oil filter construction is easily recognized versus the fiber endcap Frams.

MicroGard(Fram)vs MicroGard (Champ) oil filters.
 
Originally Posted By: Mike Simmons
Regarding another poster's comment about parts counter jock's information being incorrect. He's spot on, but the mis-information is not only restricted to parts people but mechanics, customers and everyone! There are so many wives tales, myths and rumors in this industry that you don't know who to believe! I find that the best way to get the straight skinny is to do the research yourself or find a person whose opinion you trust and go with that. I could cite hundreds of myths, rumors etc. that I have heard over the 40+ years I have been in the auto industry. The problem is, when you finally tell folks the truth, they either don't believe you or don't want to hear what you tell them.

Mike


Yep, just like the rumor that "PureOne oil filters are restrictive to flow". I don't know how that rumor got started on the 'net, but it was probably based on some guy's garage "flow experiment" that got some internet publicity and it spread like wild fire.

Here's a real lab test done by Purolator with real lab equipment that shows they are not restrictive, and probably flow just as good or better than most oil filters. In fact, Jay from FRAM (known as "Motorking" on BITOG) posted a flow numbers for a FRAM Ultra (full synthetic) in the same sized filter, and if flowed just a hair better than this avg sized PureOne (due to being a full synthetic media).

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...451#Post1619451
 
Originally Posted By: Kruse
Originally Posted By: Mike Simmons


I've been a store manager at OR since 2008 and I don't recall Champion Labs being a vendor. When I came aboard, it was Purolator, then Fram and now Wix.

Regarding another poster's comment about parts counter jock's information being incorrect. He's spot on, but the mis-information is not only restricted to parts people but mechanics, customers and everyone! There are so many wives tales, myths and rumors in this industry that you don't know who to believe! I find that the best way to get the straight skinny is to do the research yourself or find a person whose opinion you trust and go with that.


Pretty sure O'Reilly had E-Core filters within the past few years and they were made by Champion Labs, just like the same SuperTech filters sold by WalMart.
As far as the person who you can trust, my local O'Reilly store goes through so much employee turnover that every time I go in there, there is another new face behind the counter. I'm not knocking the store too hard because it's the one that I go to when I need local parts, but one of the reasons that I go there is because AZ is much worse.
Edit: I just went downstairs and grabbed a MicroGard MGL8A that I still had from a previous oil and filter special and this filter is an E-Core (wide spaced inner plastic cage) with a 2012 copyright date on it, by Ozark Automotive Distributors. Also remember that Fram and Champion Labs are owned by the same company.


I stand corrected. I was just going by the info on the shipping cartons and the p/n's which are the same as Fram.

Mike
 
$2.10 for a filter with all those different parts that must be assembled? seems it would be more, considering that a one piece 1 1/16 inch 1/2 inch drive socket at Lowes is $5.xx?
seems prices would be other way around
 
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Economy of scale. Make millions of filters and cost per filter goes down. How many sockets do they sell?
 
Yes, I remember the frenzy when the Puro related patents were posted here over two and half years ago, seemingly as if implementation might be immanent. That also coincided with another Puro patent thread regarding a plastic cage similar to the ecore (not cartridge), implying Puro could be replacing metal with plastic. Purolator hasn't implemented either idea from the patents to date. It would seem that 'IF' it was to happen the lower tier 'made fors' and/or Classics would adopt first. They haven't, and their combo valve patent dates to 09.

As Jim Allen said at the time in 2011, "I see some very distant dots being connected here." I agreed, one thing to get a patent, quite another to implement it's use. For whatever reason or reasons Purolator hasn't seen fit to use either patent idea in their spin on filters. So, the sky isn't falling just yet.
 
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So, the sky isn't falling just yet.


I hope they never implement those patented ideas.
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