One for the Engineers

[ALS]

Got this off a unique financial site. Here one for you enginers to ponder if it really works or is it a pipe dream. The system produces more energy than it uses.

Pretty detailed piece.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/meg/megv21.htm

 

[garyb80]

Well,
That one pegged the old B.S. Meter. Time to man the lifeboats.

 

[Dan4510]

When did the thermodynamic law of getting less than you put in get repealed?

Dan

 

[labman]

If this was posted today, I hate to think what we will be seeing 38 days from now.

 

[427Z06]

I'm with Gary, Dan and Labman on this one. Looks like the authors of that website need a refresher on The Law of Conservation of Energy. (P.E. + K.E. = 0) They might believe they're producing more energy than they put in the device, but if what they claim is true, that energy is coming from somewhere.

 

[MolaKule]

it appears to me that all they have here is Pulse transformer, similar to what you have in a car's ignition system.

In any elecromagnetic system, you have all kinds of losses:
1. Resistance loss due to coil winding resistance and heating,
2. Coil driver transistor losses through heating,
3. Core or permeability losses such as Eddy currents, etc which transform electrical energy into heat.

In a reactive system with impedances, the phases of the currents and voltages are out of phase, or not in lockstep, so this represents another loss, that of power factor.

The only one could get more energy out than was put in is to have some kind of energy stored in the core of the transformer.

I know of no transformer core material that can do this.

 

[MolaKule]

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The only one could get more energy out than was put in is to have some kind of energy stored in the core of the transformer.

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Wow, did I butcher that statement.

Here is a correction:

The only method by which one could get more energy out than was put in, is to have some kind of energy stored in the core of the transformer.

I know of no transformer core material that can do this.

[ February 24, 2004, 02:57 PM: Message edited by: MolaKule ]

 

[wulimaster]

quote:

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Originally posted by MolaKule:
The only one could get more energy out than was put in is to have some kind of energy stored in the core of the transformer.

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Can you explain why zero point energy is impossible?

 

[MolaKule]

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Can you explain why zero point energy is impossible?

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Excellent question.

No I cannot, because my studies to-date indicate that ZPE is only a theoretical concept without observational or experimental support. So you would be asking me to argue the negative for a theory that is equivocal; i.e, you would be asking me to argue the impossible. Just trying to be honest with you.

Believe me, as a physicist, I have been keenly interested in this theory for some time. But until the ZPE theory shows it does not violate the first and second laws of thermodynamics, I cannot take it seriously.

Another thing that bothers me about ZPE, is the fact that in Quantum Mechanics (QM), the E = 0 energy level isn't allowed for a quantized particle of state n=0, which is contradictory to the classical viewpoint, in which E = 0 is an acceptable state of the atom. Now, in most physics theories, you should be able to start with the more highly developed theory, and then work down; in this case, you should be able to start with the QM theory and prove the classical case. In this situation, you cannot. To explain, you can start with the Theory of Special Relativity and then work down the ladder to prove Newton's Theories still hold in most cases. But in QE and ZPE, you cannot do this. So I shall remain skeptical until further developments arise.

[ February 24, 2004, 07:02 PM: Message edited by: MolaKule ]

 

[cheetahdriver]

molakule,

i like the way you think. better yet i like the way you explain. i would say i agree totally with you except most mech. eng. aren't allowed to play with the Apot equipment.

but hey, it makes great SF, until the theory is proven one way or the other. i find it interesting that enstein balked at QM as well. if that is the final resting place i have to stop at too, well, i'm in good company.