Old oil score!

[Zaedock]

SE is '71 - '79

Whoa. Cool find, but I don't know if even I would use it. If I did, I would use it in my Bronco or one of my trail rigs - and get a used oil analysis.

 

[skyship]

Originally Posted By: shell_user
Thanks guys, and think I will do that in the spring in either my Chevy truck or new to me Cadillac Coupe De Ville. I plan to mix it half and half with some T5 Rotella also.
thanks for the advice and opinions guys
adam


Not a bad idea if you don't like your truck or car, as the old oil might have had its add pack drop out of solution and dump itself at the bottom of the can.
It would be more interesting if you ran the old oil on its own. If the engine won't start because the starter motor was back speced for 20 grade oil, just light a small fire under the sump to thin it out.
Please send a used oil analysis when you finish and a picture of the fire.

 

[Zaedock]

Originally Posted By: skyship
If the engine won't start because the starter motor was back speced for 20 grade oil, just light a small fire under the sump to thin it out.

 

[fdcg27]

Originally Posted By: skyship
Originally Posted By: shell_user
Thanks guys, and think I will do that in the spring in either my Chevy truck or new to me Cadillac Coupe De Ville. I plan to mix it half and half with some T5 Rotella also.
thanks for the advice and opinions guys
adam


Not a bad idea if you don't like your truck or car, as the old oil might have had its add pack drop out of solution and dump itself at the bottom of the can.
It would be more interesting if you ran the old oil on its own. If the engine won't start because the starter motor was back speced for 20 grade oil, just light a small fire under the sump to thin it out.
Please send a used oil analysis when you finish and a picture of the fire.


Blackstone pretty well blew away the additive drop out theory with their VOAs of oils far older than the ones the OP posted about.
WRT the oils being too thick, please.
We ran such oils for years in small, lightly built four cylinder cars, like early Civics, and we had no problems at all.
10W-40 was my all climate choice for the three Civics we owned 1981-2003, one '76 CVCC hatch and two '86 wagons.
All three cars lead long lives on 10W-40, and at least two of them started using this oil at ambients below -25F.
I didn't know any better then.

 

[shell_user]

Thanks FCDG and yeah I dont see a problem running a qt of this with my next oil change in the truck or cadillac. I plan to put DEFY 5W30 in the cadillac and put 1 qt of HD-40 in with it. I plan to VOA the EMBLEM oil also as well as the Pennzoil

 

[gathermewool]

Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Originally Posted By: gathermewool
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
It would be intersting to do a sort run of this stuff in any car in warm weather and then used oil analysis it.
I think everyone would be surprised at how good the results would be.
Alternatively, you could mix a quart at a time with any modern oil in any engine and it would be just fine.
I'd sell the staright grade oil to an air cooled VW owner or for lawnmower use.
You could mix it with a modern oil in warm weather, though.


Yes, because the modern oil would be able to keep up and maintain clean the engine during a short run while the old oil degraded quickly.

IMO, using this oil is like using old pain killers: it may not hurt anything, but it for sure isn't helping anything, I.e., no money is saved, nor is there any net positive.


Maybe not.
In a moderate performance engine, older spec oils can do just fine, just as they did when they were current spec oils.
There was a guy here who ran some old SF Shell Fire and Ice in his wife's Grand Am with a pretty good used oil analysis.
I've searched for the used oil analysis and have not succeeded in finding it.
A straight thirty or forty wouldn't be suitable for too many modern engines, although the OM of our Forester allows for the use of either under severe conditions, although the OM recommends API SL as the minimum spec.


I agree on the 'maybe' point, but what I mean to say is that, if the sump can hold 5 quarts, and 1 of those 5 quarts is this old oil, will it last for 4/5 the time, longer or shorter?

Unfortunately, many people change their oil well before it's 4/5 used up anyway, so showing an used oil analysis after a few thousand miles with this oil added in isn't very conclusive.

 

[shell_user]

I will do this; I have some Mobil 1 0w20 and some Pennzoil Platinum 0w20 and a ton of Maxlife Nextgen in different flavors. I will put one quart of the HD-40 Pennzoil with "z-7" additive in along with 3qts of Pennzoil Platinum 0w20. I dont think anything bad will happen also. May run it to 6k.

 

[skyship]

Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Originally Posted By: skyship
Originally Posted By: shell_user
Thanks guys, and think I will do that in the spring in either my Chevy truck or new to me Cadillac Coupe De Ville. I plan to mix it half and half with some T5 Rotella also.
thanks for the advice and opinions guys
adam


Not a bad idea if you don't like your truck or car, as the old oil might have had its add pack drop out of solution and dump itself at the bottom of the can.
It would be more interesting if you ran the old oil on its own. If the engine won't start because the starter motor was back speced for 20 grade oil, just light a small fire under the sump to thin it out.
Please send a used oil analysis when you finish and a picture of the fire.


Blackstone pretty well blew away the additive drop out theory with their VOAs of oils far older than the ones the OP posted about.
WRT the oils being too thick, please.
We ran such oils for years in small, lightly built four cylinder cars, like early Civics, and we had no problems at all.
10W-40 was my all climate choice for the three Civics we owned 1981-2003, one '76 CVCC hatch and two '86 wagons.
All three cars lead long lives on 10W-40, and at least two of them started using this oil at ambients below -25F.
I didn't know any better then.


Blackstones shook the cans up!

 

[shell_user]

Oh well, I will report if I blow anything up.


take care,

adam

 

[Provi]

Originally Posted By: skyship
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Originally Posted By: skyship
Originally Posted By: shell_user
Thanks guys, and think I will do that in the spring in either my Chevy truck or new to me Cadillac Coupe De Ville. I plan to mix it half and half with some T5 Rotella also.
thanks for the advice and opinions guys
adam


Not a bad idea if you don't like your truck or car, as the old oil might have had its add pack drop out of solution and dump itself at the bottom of the can.
It would be more interesting if you ran the old oil on its own. If the engine won't start because the starter motor was back speced for 20 grade oil, just light a small fire under the sump to thin it out.
Please send a used oil analysis when you finish and a picture of the fire.


Blackstone pretty well blew away the additive drop out theory with their VOAs of oils far older than the ones the OP posted about.
WRT the oils being too thick, please.
We ran such oils for years in small, lightly built four cylinder cars, like early Civics, and we had no problems at all.
10W-40 was my all climate choice for the three Civics we owned 1981-2003, one '76 CVCC hatch and two '86 wagons.
All three cars lead long lives on 10W-40, and at least two of them started using this oil at ambients below -25F.
I didn't know any better then.


Blackstones shook the cans up!


Incorrect they shook up one can and the other wasn't.

 

[shell_user]

thanks for that info

 

[shell_user]

***UPDATE*** I sold the one lone can of EMBLEM HD 40 oil and 2 cans of the PENNZOIL HD 40 this morning to a collector at a museum for $400

take care

adam

 

[fdcg27]

Originally Posted By: shell_user
***UPDATE*** I sold the one lone can of EMBLEM HD 40 oil and 2 cans of the PENNZOIL HD 40 this morning to a collector at a museum for $400

take care

adam


Did you really?
Good for you!
Would have been a shame to have wasted such a valuable asset in an engine.

 

[shell_user]

Yeah FCDG I cleaned the dust from the whole can and top of the cans. A museum guy in town bought them. A gentleman from Titusville that is in my area where I am at the present is supposed to look at the others I have and buy them, as I sent him photos and he was exstatic!!

adam

 

[Texan4Life]

awesome! glad they are finding a good home!

 

[gathermewool]

Originally Posted By: Provi
Originally Posted By: skyship
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Originally Posted By: skyship


Not a bad idea if you don't like your truck or car, as the old oil might have had its add pack drop out of solution and dump itself at the bottom of the can.
It would be more interesting if you ran the old oil on its own. If the engine won't start because the starter motor was back speced for 20 grade oil, just light a small fire under the sump to thin it out.
Please send a used oil analysis when you finish and a picture of the fire.


Blackstone pretty well blew away the additive drop out theory with their VOAs of oils far older than the ones the OP posted about.
WRT the oils being too thick, please.
We ran such oils for years in small, lightly built four cylinder cars, like early Civics, and we had no problems at all.
10W-40 was my all climate choice for the three Civics we owned 1981-2003, one '76 CVCC hatch and two '86 wagons.
All three cars lead long lives on 10W-40, and at least two of them started using this oil at ambients below -25F.
I didn't know any better then.


Blackstones shook the cans up!


Incorrect they shook up one can and the other wasn't.


I don't remember the thread where this was talked about. How did the oil get to Blackstone? Was it shipped or did they have it in storage somewhere? If shipped, then it was shaken.

Good for you, selling it for a nice chunk of change like that! Forget the collector, I'D be one who is ecstatic!

 

[shell_user]

Yeah, didnt know people collected oil cans.