OK Amsoil...What's up with this?

[LargeCarManX2]

Amsoil, you post how your increases of 26% vs Mobil 1's increase of 32% is in line over the last 3 years....But you forgot to add in the increases are based on PC or Dealer price and forgot to add the Preferred cost and shipping into the formulation. Mobil 1's price is on the shelf increase not hidden costs associated.

Then to add insult to the injury....in the same monthly magazine in small typo below AJ's message a note from the editor...You state that August 1st your dropping the 5% surcharge and increasing prices up to 14%???????

MeSlowButNotDumb!

 

[JohnBrowning]

WOW looks like I will never be able to run S3K 5W30 at this rate! I know people want to make some money and all but I want a price on par with M1. ANother reason I use Redline is because I can buy Redline through Car-Quest for less then then I can buy Amsoil or Royal Purple gear lubes and MTL's a full $2 less then Amsoil and $3 less then Royal Purple.

Now when it comes to oil it is hard to beat the prices at Walmart and Part store on M1,PP,Valv Synpower and RTS. I really like Amsoil too but they are just getting crazy with all the price hikes and the prefered customer cost and shipping + sur charge until they drop it in lew of higher prices etc......How many times do they think they can pick your pocket! I tsound like tome that Amsoil needs to take a smaller bite so that their dealer's can be price competitive in the marke and still make a profit themselfs. I have looking into becomeing a dealer several times and they money they keep other then the prefered customer cost is not much per-quart. The bulk of the profit is staying with Amsoil!

 

[JohnBrowning]

Wow!!!$10.10 a quart for a lot of stuff and that is before shipping,tax,sure charge etc....... Their cheapest product was their GIII 7500XL line and that was $6.35 before all the hidden cost's and fews etc...I went tot he corperate site so that was their online store price's. 1 Gallon of the 10W30ACD oil was $27 dollars before all the few's and shipping etc.....I can buy anything M1 makes off the shelf for far less then that and by the time you add in all the hidden fee's and shipping and tax you could pick up two gallons of RTS5W40. I have no idea how they are selling this stuff! Seriously they must have some super loyal customers!!!

My Redline MTL purchased at Carquest is not $10.10 a quart before tax! WOW insane!Amsoil used to be priced competively with M1 other then the shipping and tax cost. Now that they are $4 a quart more before you add in the tax and shipping I just do not see how they are going to be able to maintain their market share.

By the time they up their price by 14% in lew of the surcharge you will be looking at $14-$15 a quart for their good stuff after you add in shipping and tax.That is not counting the prefered customer discount or the $20 perfered customer fee or anything like that just their prices from the online store!

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: LargeCarManX2
Amsoil, you post how your increases of 26% vs Mobil 1's increase of 32% is in line over the last 3 years....But you forgot to add in the increases are based on PC or Dealer price and forgot to add the Preferred cost and shipping into the formulation. Mobil 1's price is on the shelf increase not hidden costs associated.

Then to add insult to the injury....in the same monthly magazine in small typo below AJ's message a note from the editor...You state that August 1st your dropping the 5% surcharge and increasing prices up to 14%???????

MeSlowButNotDumb!


Man - wow so who is playing with the truth?

Small Typo? What? There is no typographical error on that page.

I don't know about slow or dumb, but you are confused and you are not telling the truth.

The chart on page 11 show motor oil price increases, and Amsoil CLEARLY states the dates and clearly says the May 2008 price includes the energy surcharge, and clearly says it's PC pricing. The cost of PC membership has not changed in 10+ years. The percent increase in Mobil and other oils doesn't matter if Amsoil used PC prices or MSRP prices.

You sir, are the king of exaggeration.

 

[Pablo]

John - did you even read the Action News he is talking about?

 

[Pablo]

John - where are you coming with this bull sh...??

Did you just pull these numbers out of your [censored] or what?

First you make up number, then you say it has hidden "fews".....

Dude - Amsoil MTF is $9.25/qt worst case MSRP. $7.20 PC. Don't think you need to pay PC membership to get MSRP!

If you want to by M1, knock yourself out. But they raise their prices and do what to the quality? Trust me, you may be seeing a couple things on the shelf from Redline, Royal Purple that have older prices, but....very soon you will see their price increases or their bankruptcy notices. Amsoil prices just are more in the open, that's all. Yet Amsoil is being accused of chicanery!

 

[Steve S]

If you want the best you have to pay for it.

 

[Gary Allan]

You're right, Pablo. If anyone else raises a price it's the cost of doing business. If Amsoil does it ...well, it's just being greedy and getting more from their lube-crack addicts ..or something like that.

Hey, I don't like it anymore than anyone else. I'm sure that they don't like it at the front office and I'M SURE, they're not sitting there saying, "Hey, I can't peel off hundred dollar bills like I used to. Better raise prices again ..my custom toilet paper roll is running short.".

 

[Johnny]

It's called passing the savings on to the consumer, and Amsoil is still absorbing most of the increase. The base stocks they use and the additives they use have increased in price over 90% in the last 12 months. Lately the big oil companies have raised the price of base stocks, all Groups, an average of 15-35% per month for the past 12 months, and there is another increase coming in August. The additive companies like Lubrizoil, Afton, etc., are raising prices at a higher and faster rate than that.

I think Amsoil has held their prices quite well, but sooner or later you have to do it if you want to keep you profit margins up to stay in business. I guess they could cut the quality of their product line to decrease cost, but then it would not be Amsoil.

It's better to loose some market share and make a profit, than it is to increase market share and loose money.

 

[Al]

Well anyone who thinks a pyramid distributed product can compete with Wally World................

Anyways, it you think the product is worth the money buy it otherwise go to Wally World. Its that simple.
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[o2man98]

Originally Posted By: Al
Well anyone who thinks a pyramid distributed product can compete with Wally World................

Anyways, it you think the product is worth the money buy it otherwise go to Wally World. Its that simple.
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What an ignorant piece...

Amsoil is NOT hiding anything. Look at the home page and you will find this.


The Energy Surcharge for July will remain at 5% in the United States and Puerto Rico.
No surcharge to be implemented in Canada for July. New prices to be implemented on
August 1, 2008. Due to the ongoing price increases from suppliers and the potential for even more in the immediate future AMSOIL has been forced to expand the potential range of the August 1 price adjustment from 8 - 14% to 8 - 16%.

 

[Pablo]

Amsoil does not try to compete with WW. Amsoil's distribution is NOT pyramidal - in fact the chain is shorter than "conventional" distribution. Thanks for the wrong info! Sheesh.....

Johnny - that's why I chuckle at the .99$ oil sales. They have to be losing money and obviously won't be going on.....I doubt we'll see many at $140+ bbl.

 

[buster]

I think Amsoil has been pretty upfront about price increases.

It's possible that others are formulating down to meet a price point, cutting quality. AJ is not one to cut quality or so he says.

 

[LargeCarManX2]

Pablo, I guess I need to respond to your "mistruths".

I would say the typo size for AJ's "From the Presidents desk" is 12 font. I would say the typo size under "Editors note:" is 6 maybe 4 in font size. So who is blowing smoke? Look again and respond to me if I am correct or not?

The problem I am having with the in the same magazine "Action News" is Amsoil had not based it cost percentage increase including shipping. They also base the price percentage increase on case price at dealer cost for asl/atm only.

I feel this is speaking out with forked tongue!

It's alway's interesting how you reply Pablo to others on the board. You have improved on the disrespect you dished out in the past. However, you still are not acting like the professional you should act like. Here are a couple of your statements in this thread:


""""John - where are you coming with this bull sh...??

Did you just pull these numbers out of your [censored] or what?

Man - wow so who is playing with the truth?

Small Typo? What? There is no typographical error on that page.

I don't know about slow or dumb, but you are confused and you are not telling the truth.""""""

Pablo, So answer my questions about the typo size.....truth or fiction?

and,

answer my question about the application of the percentage increase based on case pc price without shipping....truth or fiction?

Thanks for your professional response,

 

[Pablo]

1) Typo = typographical error. Wiki link to typo

Yes the Editor's Note footnote font is smaller, but this is not a typo. You are correct about the font size, but I fail to see your point. Footnote font is typically always smaller. Trying to read evil intentions into this is ridiculous. Amsoil has been CRYSTAL CLEAR and up front about prices increases. PLEASE tell me another company that has been so upfront about this matter. Post it in this this thread.

2) Mathematically speaking, if Amsoil included shipping or did the price increase comparison with single bottle prices, Amsoil's percent increase would be less. Think about it. If something goes from $1 to $2, how much % increase is that? If something goes from $6 to $8, how much % increase is that? Logically if Amsoil included shipping, Amsoil's percent increase would be even less! Because of the math above AND shipping has NOT gone up. When you get all emotional and post as you do, like "Gotcha Amsoil", your logic gets left behind.

3) Lastly, I too am passionate about this. People read these threads and use them as "facts" later. JB's posts are filled with downright falsehoods, wrong numbers and he never even read the Action News that you are citing! I just need to get people's attention sometimes. Sorry for the foul language, but I mean no disrespect ever.

No problem answering!

Thanks,

Paul

 

[o2man98]

Originally Posted By: LargeCarManX2
Pablo, I guess I need to respond to your "mistruths".

I would say the typo size for AJ's "From the Presidents desk" is 12 font. I would say the typo size under "Editors note:" is 6 maybe 4 in font size. So who is blowing smoke? Look again and respond to me if I am correct or not?

The problem I am having with the in the same magazine "Action News" is Amsoil had not based it cost percentage increase including shipping. They also base the price percentage increase on case price at dealer cost for asl/atm only.

I feel this is speaking out with forked tongue!

It's alway's interesting how you reply Pablo to others on the board. You have improved on the disrespect you dished out in the past. However, you still are not acting like the professional you should act like. Here are a couple of your statements in this thread:


""""John - where are you coming with this bull sh...??

Did you just pull these numbers out of your [censored] or what?

Man - wow so who is playing with the truth?

Small Typo? What? There is no typographical error on that page.

I don't know about slow or dumb, but you are confused and you are not telling the truth.""""""

Pablo, So answer my questions about the typo size.....truth or fiction?

and,

answer my question about the application of the percentage increase based on case pc price without shipping....truth or fiction?

Thanks for your professional response,




Please provide your table of pricing adjusted to include the shipping costs from Amsoil as well as the fuel, insurance, and other costs of operating your automobile to purchase the other brands included in the price report.

AGAIN, go to the Amsoil home page, OPEN YOUR EYES, and read what is said almost DEAD CENTER.

Find something else to complain about like the $7+ M1 prices that will be around in the next month or so.

 

[Al]

Originally Posted By: Pablo
Thanks for the wrong info! Sheesh.....

Oh I thought that folks that signed up other dealers got commissions. Things must have changed since I sold the stuff. A.J. must have had a "Come to Jezus Meeting"

 

[Pablo]

Sales at Amsoil remain MLM. Product distribution is very much direct. I hold very little inventory.

 

[o2man98]

Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Thanks for the wrong info! Sheesh.....

Oh I thought that folks that signed up other dealers got commissions. Things must have changed since I sold the stuff. A.J. must have had a "Come to Jezus Meeting"


Nothing is ever earned for signing anybody up. Earnings are only produced on sales.

 

[Chris71]

The (censored) is just too darn expensive and every time you turn around, here comes another price increase! That's why I stopped running it.