Oil with no API logo on bottle?

[BennyL]

so i was at canadian tire this past weekend, they were just wrapping up a sale on all high mileage oils. i was just about to buy a jug of motomaster formula1 high mileage (they had 10w30 and 5w30). as i walked over to the cashier, i turned the bottle around to give it a quick read, and i noticed that it has no API logo on it... no SL no SM no nothing. i went back and checked all of the bottles, single quart and jugs... none of them had any API logo on them. but the odd thing is that all th other generic canadian tire oils did have API SM on them... even the cheap nugold brand had it. the regular motomaster line had it too. and even the rest of the formula1 line had it... the dino and the synth.

so WHY didn't the High Mileage version carry an API logo? i aborted mission and didn't get the oil! i was curious to try it, cuz i know all of the motomaster oils are shell oils. so this would pretty much be the shell High Mileage oil. right?

 

[ProfPS]

I noticed that RP does not use the "starburst" API logo also. It does list the SM rating on the label within other advertisement lingo.

 

[TallPaul]

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"... noticed that it has no API logo on it... no SL no SM no nothing.

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Not in the API donut, but somewhere on the label it should note that it is meets the wear requirements of SL or SM whatever it may be (but probably doesn't meet the emissions rqmts so no donut logo).

 

[BennyL]

oh, i don't know. i didn't look around. i thought that it had to have that API circle logo thing to be legit.

 

[Forest]

This brings back memories.....

 

[oilyriser]

see if you can find licensed Canadian Tire oils anywhwere on the API webisite

http://eolcs.api.org/

 

[Vilan]

No need to worry. Grab a bottle of Redline next time you're there. The most expensive oil they sell, but I don't believe it has a donut (too much ZDDP I think). F1HM may be in the same boat. The label should say somewhere that it is suitable for SL use as TallPaul said.

Formula 1 may have some labelling issues. I believe their regular 20W50 is marked "energy conserving" which is impossible.

 

[David_Navone]

I bought Redline non-racing oil last week... and it was labelled SM.

 

[boxcartommie22]

redline is not api approved because they choose not too. their additive packages would be compromised to conform to the new decreases in zinc and phos...so are many other boutique oils and high performance brands.

 

[bob_ninja]

Likely it is not certified because it violates some limits, such as ZDDP. API spec is for general purpose. Some specialized oils such as HMs are for a specific purpose which may not be compatible with API's goals.

 

[BennyL]

hmmm, i didn't know so i didn't purchase. oh well. i know some high-end oils don't meet API certifications, but those would be ok, because they have credentials and a good rep. but i didn't wanna risk it with some generic brand name.

 

[bob_ninja]

Well I bought a bunch of Esso XD3 which is in some ways similar to GC, a very popular oil. Esso is not a small company. Yet the oil is not API certified, although it displays 0W30. It is designed both for gasoline and diesel engines, which require a different add pack, hence violate API SM limits.

You'd be surprised which oils lack API certification!