Oil recommendations for my BMW 335is running E85

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Hey guys. Long time lurker and have been reading a ton lately. So much info here it is a bit overwhelming! Looking for some recommendations for my car.

Car is a 2011 BMW 335is. N54 inline-6, direct injection, twin turbo. 42k miles. Lots of tuning modifications with nearly double the boost and hp/tq vs stock. I also run a mix of E85 which works out to around E65 with plans of switching to full E85 in the next few months. I don't drive it daily. Maybe 600-800 miles/month. Lots of short trips mixed with some moderate ones of 20+ miles. Usually on the longer ones i do WOT pulls. I track my car mostly in roll racing or drag racing situations. No road course racing. Car has auxiliary oil cooler and low temp oil thermostat which kicks in the oil cooler sooner. I typically see oil temps 210-220F cruising and WOT with 230-240F if in stop and go traffic. The temps drop back down quickly once cruising. This is with the recent 100F ambient temps here in the Carolinas. In the cooler months Oil temps were around 200. I do not go WOT unless oil temp is >180F. With the type of hard driving I do, I really don't see the oil temp go up much. I am not sure what the oil pressure is as I do not have a gauge to monitor it. The engine does run a lot cooler overall with E85 fuel.

BMW recommends LL-01 oils. I have always used the dealer free Castrol 5w30 with OCIs around 7500 (no dealer oil changes since they switched to Pennzoil). The car doesn't consume any oil. I upgraded the PCV valve and added an oil catch can and shortly afterwards had to add 1 qt, but other than that, no oil has been added. I have about 5500 miles on current fill and plan on sending off a sample to Blackstone to see what it says. Now that I am doing my own oil I was looking at 5,000 mile OCIs but can stretch that if reasonable or do it more often if necessary.

I have seen all kinds of recommendations and I know there is no right answer or 'best' oil. I have an extended warranty so not sure if I should stick to an LL-01. Given my modifications I doubt I would be covered in a catastrophic engine failure so I would rather have an oil that is going to provide excellent protection. Some of the oils I have been considering are Mobil 1 0w40, Motul X-cess 5w40, Motul 300v 0w-40 or 5w40, German Castrol. Just looking for some input. My concern would be how much of an impact running E85 is having and should that be a concern when choosing an oil. Cost isn't a big issue but with 300v about $18/liter, I would want to make sure it was worthwhile. Any performance (hp) gain would be great as well.

Thanks for any input!
 
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You will be hard pressed to find anything better for the street than Mobil 1 0W-40.

Availability, price and performance combined with some of the most demanding certifications make it a real winner. Plus it's right on my oil cap!
 
Can run more boost/timing on E85 vs 93/methanol and even race gas. Considerably cheaper than race fuel and even runs cheaper than regular 87 octane. It's basically like race gas at the pump. Engine runs cooler. The only downside is loss of gas mileage and if you travel, making sure stations carry E85.

I have also read the way Blackstone calculates the fuel % isn't all that accurate. Should I consider a different lab or should I even be that concerned about fuel contamination?
 
Originally Posted By: edyvw
I know that, but what did you do with preignition issues?


I have no preignition issues on E85. Despite rumors on the web that it is more prone to preignition it doesn't make much sense. I am delivering about 50-60% or more fuel into the cylinder which will quell any hot spots in the cylinder that could lead to preignition. E85 has a significant cooling effect on the intake charge temps which reduces the likelihood of preignition/detonation. We run a colder plug as well.
 
Despite all the bad rumors, E85 is actually a wonderful fuel when properly used. In instances such as this for forced induction engines and E85 compatible vehicles ( and blending partly even in non E85 vehicles when done properly ) it is a good fuel. Having it priced fairly locally can be the biggest issue. Often it is on contract and is either a really good price ( .80 to 1 dollar cheaper a gallon ) makes it a no brainer. Sometimes tho, it is more than reg. E10 (87 octane) fuel !

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E85 has less BTU's per gallon than E10 so you'll get about 2/3 the mileage of regular gas. So in order for E85 to be cheaper than regular gas, it should be 2/3 cheaper at the pump.
 
Originally Posted By: edyvw
I know that, but what did you do with preignition issues?


E85 has an equivalent octane of well over 100, far higher than many "race" gasolines. There ARE no preignition issues with E85, that's the main reason to use it in an application like this.

The downside is that the stoichiometric ratio is much lower than 14:1, so you burn a lot larger volume of E85 than regular gasoline for the same power output (which is why flex-fuel vehicles report significantly lower fuel economy when running on E85).
 
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It is a wonderful fuel. There was rumor that Ethanol was more prone to preignition but better suppressing detonation but it was more internet rumor that spread. I still have secondary cats but no primary cats with aftermarket downpipes. The fuel is get burnt off and used. As 440mag mentioned, stoich is a lot lower than gas at 9.760. I target at lambda of 0.870 which is about 8.5 (or 12.7 using a wideband calibrated for gas). I do tons of data logging staying on top of things. With my mixed driving I get 16.5 mpg on E65 blend. I was getting about 19 mpg with same driving on 93.

Right now I pay 1.99/gal for E85. 87octane is 2.59/gal and premium 93 is 2.89/gal. VP MS109 unleaded race gas is about 16.50/gal. You can see why E85 is an easy choice.
 
What is "roll racing"?

But anyway, it sounds like you are being careful about tuning your engine. Is the .87 lambda number targeted everywhere on the fuel map, or only above a certain MAP? You can run 1.0 at light loads, and it would decrease the possibility of fuel dilution.

As for oil, I would recommend some kind of SN-spec 40 weight. Mobil 1 0w40 or PUE 5w40 have the same HTHS. Your oil temps are in a good range, so I don't think you need anything over 40.
 
Roll racing is pick your speed and we start from that speed.

Lots easier on the machinery and really shows the faster car versus who is the better driver IMO...
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Roll racing is pick your speed and we start from that speed.

Lots easier on the machinery and really shows the faster car versus who is the better driver IMO...


I was thinking it could either be that or running on chassis dynos to see who has the most power.
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Roll racing is pick your speed and we start from that speed.

Is it similar to doing 60 to 100 mph runs?
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Roll racing is pick your speed and we start from that speed.

Is it similar to doing 60 to 100 mph runs?


Sort of.

You either start from a dig which is a typical drag race or you start from a roll which is exactly how it sounds,a rolling start.
A roll helps vehicles that tend to roast tires, or driven by people who have no real skills,you just floor it. Because you are already moving less wheels spin can be observed.
Kids run from a roll on highways. Start at 50 and run til someone lets off.
 
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: edyvw
I know that, but what did you do with preignition issues?


E85 has an equivalent octane of well over 100, far higher than many "race" gasolines. There ARE no preignition issues with E85, that's the main reason to use it in an application like this.

The downside is that the stoichiometric ratio is much lower than 14:1, so you burn a lot larger volume of E85 than regular gasoline for the same power output (which is why flex-fuel vehicles report significantly lower fuel economy when running on E85).




Alcohol also burns cooler. The guys who run it at the track never overheat. Never.
E85 is a great track fuel. Octane over 100,fairly cheap,no pre-ignition issued at all if tuned properly.

As far as oil what's wrong with pennzoil. Use whe stuff from the dealer
 
Originally Posted By: Clevy


Alcohol also burns cooler. The guys who run it at the track never overheat. Never.
E85 is a great track fuel. Octane over 100,fairly cheap,no pre-ignition issued at all if tuned properly.




This is why true enthusiasts desperately want it to proliferate. I wish I could get it close by. I have to drive 45min to put it in the vette and it runs fine without rejetting at light load. At cruise you can go extremely lean with no damage. I was able to get the same mileage as e10 because of that fact.


Maybe we could finally get all the haters here to understand.
 
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