Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: BuickGN
Really, so you think GC is primarily ester?
No, I don't. What does that have to do with how good the basestock is?
Originally Posted By: BuickGN
I've never looked at or cared to look at TSO but it's kind of hard to believe it had a VI of 194 with no VIIs.
I agree. I even posted a thread about it WAY back before BITOG changed to the current forum server, and asked Pablo about it point blank. He confirmed that the old 194 VI formulation of TSO had no VIIs.
Originally Posted By: BuickGN
I don't understand what you're trying to imply with Redline. It's VII-less 30wt is a 10w30. How does GC get a 0w rating on it's heavy 30wt while being VII less?
Well, you seemed to be implying that even the mighty Red Line couldn't formulate anything wider than 5w-20 or 10w30 without VIIs. What I said was, I thought Red Line formulated ALL their oils without VIIs except the 5w-40 and I guess the new 0w-40. That's what I heard from them when I spoke with them on the phone. That was a while ago, though. Have they gone budget in the past year or so?
What I'm implying is that a VII-less 0w30 is not as outlandish as you're suggesting.
There have been PAO and ester basestocks with VIs of 200+ for years. That stuff would get you to 0w30 in a heartbeat.
I'll take your word for it that GC uses no VIIs. The last thing I remember reading back when the GC hype was going around was that it had a healthy dose of VIIs. I read it on here.
If the 0w30 GC has no VIIs, then I see no reason not to use it in a high performance Subie.
As for Redline, I think we agree, I just have a hard time explaining myself when I'm falling asleep at the keyboard.
Originally Posted By: BuickGN
Really, so you think GC is primarily ester?
No, I don't. What does that have to do with how good the basestock is?
Originally Posted By: BuickGN
I've never looked at or cared to look at TSO but it's kind of hard to believe it had a VI of 194 with no VIIs.
I agree. I even posted a thread about it WAY back before BITOG changed to the current forum server, and asked Pablo about it point blank. He confirmed that the old 194 VI formulation of TSO had no VIIs.
Originally Posted By: BuickGN
I don't understand what you're trying to imply with Redline. It's VII-less 30wt is a 10w30. How does GC get a 0w rating on it's heavy 30wt while being VII less?
Well, you seemed to be implying that even the mighty Red Line couldn't formulate anything wider than 5w-20 or 10w30 without VIIs. What I said was, I thought Red Line formulated ALL their oils without VIIs except the 5w-40 and I guess the new 0w-40. That's what I heard from them when I spoke with them on the phone. That was a while ago, though. Have they gone budget in the past year or so?
What I'm implying is that a VII-less 0w30 is not as outlandish as you're suggesting.
There have been PAO and ester basestocks with VIs of 200+ for years. That stuff would get you to 0w30 in a heartbeat.
I'll take your word for it that GC uses no VIIs. The last thing I remember reading back when the GC hype was going around was that it had a healthy dose of VIIs. I read it on here.
If the 0w30 GC has no VIIs, then I see no reason not to use it in a high performance Subie.
As for Redline, I think we agree, I just have a hard time explaining myself when I'm falling asleep at the keyboard.
