Oil filter recommendations for 2018 Ram 1500 Hemi.

[ZeeOSix]

But yeah, as mentioned, I would love to use that larger filter as well as 5w30 engine oil but my lifetime warranty kinda prevents that.

Does the warranty specifically say if you use a different oil viscosity that the warranty is void? OMs never say a specific oil viscosity is "required" or "shall" or "must" be used. OM call outs for viscosity is typically a "recommended" viscosity and oil spec. Big difference between the meaning of "recommended" and those other words like "required", "shall" or "must". If there is distinct and clear language in the warranty that only a xW-yy viscosity "shall", "must" or be "required", then they would have to prove that using something else besides the "recommended" caused the problem/damage/failure.

Same with an oil filter. If they say you "shall", "must", "required" to use an OEM oil filter, then they can't void the engine warranty just because you used an aftermarket filter. If they say you must use the OEM filter to maintain warranty, then by law they must provide you the OEM oil fllters for free. The wrinkle is, if you did use an aftermarket oil filter and it was proven to be the actual cause of engine damage or failure, then they could deny the warranty and tell you to contact the filter maker to cover the damage under their filter warranty.

 

[Slick3914]

I know this is late to the thread, but a Carquest Premium would be hard to beat.

 

[Corneileous]

Does the warranty specifically say if you use a different oil viscosity that the warranty is void? OMs never say a specific oil viscosity is "required" or "shall" or "must" be used. OM call outs for viscosity is typically a "recommended" viscosity and oil spec. Big difference between the meaning of "recommended" and those other words like "required", "shall" or "must". If there is distinct and clear language in the warranty that only a xW-yy viscosity "shall", "must" or be "required", then they would have to prove that using something else besides the "recommended" caused the problem/damage/failure.

Same with an oil filter. If they say you "shall", "must", "required" to use an OEM oil filter, then they can't void the engine warranty just because you used an aftermarket filter. If they say you must use the OEM filter to maintain warranty, then by law they must provide you the OEM oil fllters for free. The wrinkle is, if you did use an aftermarket oil filter and it was proven to be the actual cause of engine damage or failure, then they could deny the warranty and tell you to contact the filter maker to cover the damage under their filter warranty.

I think the kicker here is that if it were a factory or even an extended factory warranty, most, if not all of that stuff that’s covered by the Magnussen Moss Act would probably apply but this warranty I have is through Mopar and it states manufacturer recommendations must be followed so due to how it works, I really don’t want to find out what would happen if that particular bridge came up and I was using/doing something outside of what the manufacturer recommends.

But in my opinion you’re exactly right in everything you say but the other kicker here is, they don’t make money paying that warranty money back in claims. That’s what it all pretty much boils down to.

 

[Corneileous]

I know this is late to the thread, but a Carquest Premium would be hard to beat.

Why is that? I don’t mean that in an argumentative way, I just want to know why you say it’s hard to beat.

 

[Kira]

Because (I think) the efficiency is rated as 99.5% @ 20 micrometers, or some such.
Whatever the real numbers are, they'll be changing them soon enough.

Whether it's by supplying or sourcing a new media or by selling corporate divisions or shifting production lines in response to available deals on freight rates or by learning the hard way that production lines are susceptible to human management, doesn't matter.

It's going to happen and as BITOGers, we ride the wave!

Now, go out buy a filter.

 

[ZeeOSix]

think the kicker here is that if it were a factory or even an extended factory warranty, most, if not all of that stuff that’s covered by the Magnussen Moss Act would probably apply but this warranty I have is through Mopar and it states manufacturer recommendations must be followed so due to how it works ...

If this Mopar warranty (extended warranty through Mopar I take it?) uses the word "must" or similar then it has turned the OM "recommended" viscosity into a "must" viscosity. Seems like a weaselly way to convert a "recommended" to a "must".

As far as oil filters, no OM I've seen ever "recommends" or "requires" any specific oil filter to use.

 

[Corneileous]

If this Mopar warranty (extended warranty through Mopar I take it?) uses the word "must" or similar then it has turned the OM "recommended" viscosity into a "must" viscosity. Seems like a weaselly way to convert a "recommended" to a "must".

Kinda sounds that way. Hate to say it but if I would’ve had the slightest thought that this is how this warranty would’ve been, I probably would’ve sought something else but it is what it is.

As far as oil filters, no OM I've seen ever "recommends" or "requires" any specific oil filter to use.

It’s not a specific oil filter, just a specific type. Whatever’s equivalent to the Mopar 4892339AA is all that matters.

 

[Slick3914]

Why is that? I don’t mean that in an argumentative way, I just want to know why you say it’s hard to beat.

Very good construction, take a look at all of the threads started by @BrendanC

 

[Hootbro]

I think some things are getting conflated here with the term "Warranty". The manufacturer warranty booklet for RAM only states they will not cover any repairs that arise and caused by use of non recommended fluid. That would make sense as any failure of those fluids and damages causes would have to be redressed with those fluid makers. It does not imply that use of non recommended fluids alone is cause for warranty denial or recommended fluids had to be used all along.

Given that the OP has a 2018 RAM, I am speculating that the term "Warranty" now due to the age has to mean the extend service contract he has with MOPAR that is not a "Warranty" in the legal sense and comes with it's own terms and conditions that do not fall under the consumer protections of the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act.

 

[ZeeOSix]

I think some things are getting conflated here with the term "Warranty". The manufacturer warranty booklet for RAM only states they will not cover any repairs that arise and caused by use of non recommended fluid.

Even in that case, a statement like that would basically turn a "recommended" viscosity called out in the OM into a "must use" or "required" viscosity to be covered under the factory warranty.

 

[Hootbro]

Even in that case, a statement like that would basically turn a "recommended" viscosity called out in the OM into a "must use" or "required" viscosity to be covered under the factory warranty.

Below is the statement out of the warranty booklet for my then owned 2017 RAM 1500. Keywords are "Damaged Caused By...."

They are not going to cover any damage caused by any fluids unless they were those recommended by the owners manual.

 

[Corneileous]

I think some things are getting conflated here with the term "Warranty". The manufacturer warranty booklet for RAM only states they will not cover any repairs that arise and caused by use of non recommended fluid. That would make sense as any failure of those fluids and damages causes would have to be redressed with those fluid makers. It does not imply that use of non recommended fluids alone is cause for warranty denial or recommended fluids had to be used all along.

Given that the OP has a 2018 RAM, I am speculating that the term "Warranty" now due to the age has to mean the extend service contract he has with MOPAR that is not a "Warranty" in the legal sense and comes with it's own terms and conditions that do not fall under the consumer protections of the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act.

I think this is the best way to put it…on a nutshell.

I guess we’ll see if it ever happens but my understanding from a Mopar MVP person I talked to quite a while back assured me that whenever my transmission goes- most likely due to lack of maintenance- will be covered for a replacement because after all, the manufacturer- of the truck- states no service interval to where my assumption is, taking an educated guess, if I was to follow the manufacturer of the transmission and service it- and it messes up, would probably void the Mopar MVP contract. That’s not what the truck manufacturer “recommends”…lol. Even my front “air”struts are covered. I’m guessing even though the front shock absorbers are an expendable part, the front air springs are not and since the air struts are not designed to be disassembled, whenever I need new front struts, they will be factory and they will be replaced new. All $2,300 a piece for them.

 

[jkasch]

If you can manage to install it, then the oil filter that goes on the Hellcat and 6.4L Chargers/Challengers is pretty awesome. Can't remember the Mopar part number, it's been a minute. Otherwise, if you want to play finger-ballet getting the filter in there, just use the recommended filter or cross-reference it to aftermarket.

MO-899 is/was original equipment on all Hellcats, Red Eyes and Demons.

 

[Corneileous]

Below is the statement out of the warranty booklet for my then owned 2017 RAM 1500. Keywords are "Damaged Caused By...."

They are not going to cover any damage caused by any fluids unless they were those recommended by the owners manual.

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This has always made me wonder, even though probably not protected by the MMA but wouldn’t they have to prove say, 5w30 caused the problem? I wouldn’t hope they would be able to just outright say that because as far as I’m concerned, that’s complete and utter BS. The 392ci 6.4L in the Hemi 2400/3500 is practically the same engine but it’s “recommended” to run 0w40 FULL synthetic. Gee, why would that be? Oh, because people who buy HD trucks are going to be, you know, using them for heavy duty applications? Most people buy half-tons as large full-size SUV’s with truck beds so fuel economy is what it’s all about. Even the 5.7’s that were in the HD Rams before they started putting the 6.4 in them were “recommend” to run 5w30. How bout that?…lol.

 

[Corneileous]

MO-899 is/was original equipment on all Hellcats, Red Eyes and Demons.

I was thinking it was the white Mopar SRT filter but I guess that’s just a filter for racing applications.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Below is the statement out of the warranty booklet for my then owned 2017 RAM 1500. Keywords are "Damaged Caused By...."

They are not going to cover any damage caused by any fluids unless they were those recommended by the owners manual.

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Sure, there wouldn't be any reason to use the warranty if no damage was ever done. As mentioned before, that warranty statement turns an OM "recommended" oil to a "must use" or "required" oil for the warranty to cover any damage. And of course if something failed in the engine not even related to the oil, they would try to deny the warranty due to not using the "recommended" oil.

 

[ZeeOSix]

This has always made me wonder, even though probably not protected by the MMA but wouldn’t they have to prove say, 5w30 caused the problem? I wouldn’t hope they would be able to just outright say that because as far as I’m concerned, that's complete and utter BS.

The way it's written, they have turned a "recommended" oil viscosity a "required" oil viscosity. That can give them an excuse to deny warranty any time they may "think" it was an oil related failure or damage due to oil used. Even if it really wasn't the oil's fault.

 

[Plumb Bob]

Any PGI made premium filter as others recommended. I'm running Carquest in my 2018 Ram Hemi 5.7 - I do 10K OCI.

 

[Hootbro]

Sure, there wouldn't be any reason to use the warranty if no damage was ever done. As mentioned before, that warranty statement turns an OM "recommended" oil to a "must use" or "required" oil for the warranty to cover any damage. And of course if something failed in the engine not even related to the oil, they would try to deny the warranty due to not using the "recommended" oil.

I think you are conflating it a bit.

 

[hemioiler]

How would you even know if they ever did? Do you even know of anyone who's deviated away from factory recommended oil weight and specific filter and actually got their engine warranty claim pushed though on one of these trucks? I’m on ally of forums and Facebook groups and I’ve yet to see anyone ever mention their warranty claim was denied due to wrong oil weight or wrong filter.

Yes that's my point. I've never yet seen somebody on a forum say they used one thicker grade of oil and got warranty denied. So I don't see why you're tying yourself up in knots over this.

Go to the fram site that I linked, fill in the exact details for your truck , and pick the Fram Ultra filter they recommend and be done with it. Change it every 5k like you want. There is no need to overthink any of this.