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A local lubricant manufacture salesman came by work the other day to do a demonstration of his line of products to me and the auto maintenance crew.To show how well his 15w40 motor oil kept cool compared to brand X,which he would not tell us the manufacturer,he put a 1/8" square piece of metal in a test tube with about a tablespoon of his oil and heated the test tube for about a minute with a torch and the metal stayed cool,he repeated this with brand X and it was very hot.
Is there an additive for oil that will keep it this cool or is this part of a dog and pony show?
 
I didn't know my engine had any test tubes or torches.
I thought there was internal combustion going on.

I wonder what the outcome would be if I used Crisco or Shampoo?
 
Lol, all sale tactics...

Of which proves nothing...
 
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What a carnival show.

But you know what? Here's how I could interpret his "demonstration."

His oil doesn't conduct heat very well- the heat wouldn't transfer from the walls of the test tube to the metal sample. The Brand X oil, on the other hand, carried the heat from the test tube to the metal VERY well. Now think about what you want in an engine: you want the oil to CARRY HEAT away from hot places and dissipate it in cool places like the oil pan or oil coolers.

Brand X for me!!
 
There's some decent logic there, 440. Further, there is a difference between thermal transfer and thermal rejection. All of which is probably ignored in the theater on the shop floor. I'm like Goldie-Locks. I don't want my oil too hot or too cold; I want it just right.

Nearly any ICE is designed to have a cooling medium (air, oil, coolant, xyz, or some combination thereof). I trust that any quality brand name lube is going to perform well enough presuming you pick a lube that the engine manufacturer specs as acceptable. With an air cooled engine, the oil has a bit more to be concerned with for heat transfer. With a liquid cooled engine, that characteristic is not quite as important, unless there is an oil-cooled turbo. But again, the equipment OEM take all this into account.

I wish I could have been there; I love to pick those type demonstrations apart as they happen. I always ask about equipment calibrations, durations, etc. Sales guys are just that; they are not engineers.

But to answer your question directly, I don't know of any specific element that can be added to make such a dramatic difference, but then again, the "drama" may have been more in the show, and not in the actual performance.
 
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Oil's #1 job is as a coolant. Just as important if not more than it's job at lubrication. It pulls heat away from places that the cooling system can't reach.
 
Originally Posted By: sittingduck57
Oil's #1 job is as a coolant. Just as important if not more than it's job at lubrication. It pulls heat away from places that the cooling system can't reach.


I agree that cooling is part of it's job, but I don't think it's the #1 thing it does.
 
Originally Posted By: sittingduck57
Oil's #1 job is as a coolant. Just as important if not more than it's job at lubrication. It pulls heat away from places that the cooling system can't reach.


Well, that's its number TWO job IMO. Its number 1 job is to lubricate and prevent heat generated by friction before it becomes necessary to carry it away...
 
It's improper to make such wide, sweeping statements because it depends greatly on the equipment that the lube is in.

Oils can lubricate, provide thermal transfer, provide power transfer, seal components, etc.

I completely agree that oils typically will assist in thermal transfer, regardless if that was the main intent or not.

For example, in my Dmax engine, there are oil jets that squirt oil under the piston to cool the piston. Here, the oil's main job is thermal transfer. But, in that very same engine, that's not the only job the oil does, as we'd all agree. It's also used to reduce friction. Friction is the resistance to movement. The amount of engergy needed to overcome friction is directly linked to the heat generated in that energy release. It achieves this in pressure fed bearings by providing a medium for hydraulic wedge barriers. Cooling is secondary to component separation here. Separating the components via that wedge is what reduces the friction MUCH more than the "slipperiness" of the lube if the two components were touching. But, don't forget that oil "slickness" is very important at start up BEFORE that wedge develops.

Some people may not know that oil seals will not seal well at all if the oil cannot cling to the component oposing the seal. Here, "oil" is used to provide a hydraulic bridge to close a gap. If the host metal is too smooth, it can actually cause the oil to not be able to use it's surface tention to cling to parts. No cling = no seal; be it piston rings, or power steering pump shaft seals, etc.

In other applications, like my log splitter and my ZTR mower, oil is actually used for power transfer as it's primary goal. Driving the wedge or moving the wheel motors is the goal and NOT removing heat. But that's only true in these examples.


Overall, allowing for some implied content, 440Magnum's comments were reasonable. I don't want an engine oil that rejects heat; I want an oil that assists in thermal transfer while not being grossly affected by the oxidation and chemical breakdown that extreme heat causes. I want my oil to be able to both accept and expell heat, so that it cools a part AND sends that heat somewhere else desirable.

Oil temps are governed not only by the amount of heat that is present, but also by the velocity and volume (aka flow) at which it moves past that heat. That is as much a function of the equipment design as it is the ability of the oil to absorb thermal energy.

Blah, blah, blah, right?

Here's my point: I don't think one fairly can throw out such a huge blanket statement as " ... oil's #1 job is to do ...." without describing the entire operating environment for each individual sitation and ever hope to be right, because RARE is the time that oil has only one job or one effect in the system in which it is used. Multiple fluid characteristics allow for multiple benefits, and each has to be judged at the point of application.
 
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Never trust a salesman, especially one with a hand picked "demonstration" for you to see. All their "facts" and "figures" mean bunk in the real world.
 
I've had several 'multi-level' marketing types try to convince the purchasing dept. where I worked to sign up for their product line.

Every time the buyers ended up choosing the lowest bid.
I don't think they even allow those 'wiz bang' products in the door anymore.

The maintenance buyer has a contract with Castrol for all the industrial lube products (with a couple of exceptions) and the cost is the driving factor. Some of those oils are re-claimed from our tanks and re-cycled-cleaned, filtered and new additives restored.
 
I have come to the conclusion that I could say it's a nice day on this forum and 20 people would tell me why I could be, should be ,and might be wrong!
 
If the oil is even remotely compatible with any system that you are likely to start putting it in, then there is some sleight of hand with regard materials in the demo,or the amount of talk time, test tube swishing, ad even how he holds the tube to make his product look "better" (worse IMO if i can't shift heat)
 
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