Oil Biodegradeability

[willix]

I have not indicated any negativity in the efforts to clean things up. if you read my previous posts, I merely want to point out that some efforts have results that the benifits become null & void. If you pay 3 times as more for a quart of oil that lasts only 40% as long. Do the math. I recycle. I'm doing 10,000mi oil changes. Asphalt is a petroleum product, its everywhere. What effect does that have laying all over our countryside? I'm asking not making a statement that its ok. They didn't teach me any of this stuff in my 6 yrs of H.S.

 

[willix]

Here's a catalog where GET can be get. http://www.thegreenplanetproducts.com/category.jhtm?cid=1

 

[willix]

http://www.getg.com/articles/article_detail.php?ArticleID=119 The updated catalog will be updated tomorrow man.

 

[labman]

Since snake oil is a biological product, it should biodegrade. Natural fats have a long history as lubricants. Much of it before the internal combustion engine. One place in their info they say they are converting animal fats to unsaturated fats. In another, they say they are using saturated fats. Before I consider using a product, I want to know what is in it and how it works. Their molecules are smaller? That leaves WD-40 and Marvel Mystery Oil off my shopping list.

I do know there is going to be an unexpected drastic cooling somewhere before I ever put an inherently unstable unsaturated material in the crankcase of an internal combustion engine. I spent 10 years making paint out of vegetable oils and no way, no how, no matter how much antioxidents you lace it with. f that makes me a usual suspect, so be it.

 

[simple_gifts]

I think you misunderstood.

I am not sure why you think biodegradable oil would be "silly"

Oil is released into the environment every day. Just watch the run off from any parking lot at the beginning of a storm.

edit: sorry i didn't see your subsequent post, since it was on page #2

 

[willix]

What would happen with this oil if you stored the car in a barn for 5 years?

 

[willix]

Few are offering answers to the questions I ask. I only get challenged. Why is that? I'm thinking most petro run off of roads maybe from the asphalt itself, I don't know. In some states parkings lots are required by law to have drainage systems to capture hazardous runoff.

 

[labman]

You are making some good points. Plenty of oil ends up in our waterways one way or another. It is a problem. I have no problem with the idea of a biodegradable oil. I just want a saturated material that won't degrade inside my engine.

 

[PT1]

Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
Quote:

Engine oil is already relativly low toxcity. Has any one done a study on the effects of asphalt on the enviroment?


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How is a reduction in pollution a false benefit. You seem to be suggesting that a release of used oil has no environmental impact. That is just ridiculous.


When the cost outweighs the benefit.

 

[PT1]

Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
We probably should just return to leaded gas.


How about horse & buggy.

 

[PT1]

Originally Posted By: willix
Few are offering answers to the questions I ask. I only get challenged. Why is that?


Because you are making the mistake of trying to use common sense and facts to make a point with someone who is probably a liberal environmentalist. I find that when those types cannot get their point across they simply start making ridiculous statements or attacking the opponent. Typical.

 

[PT1]

Originally Posted By: simple_gifts

I am not sure why you think biodegradable oil would be "silly"



Cost would make it ridiculous.

 

[Bruce T]

Asphalt might be a petroleum product, but as best I could determine with my limited research, it does not cause significant environmental damage. There are two concerns:

1. Asphalt production was once a source of air pollution, but this is no longer an issue, since it is heavily regulated by the EPA.

2. The risk of substances leaching from existing or dumped asphalt. Any leaching was determined to occur below detectable levels, so asphalt is not considered hazardous waste. Also, asphalt is increasingly recycled due to higher production costs.

On the other hand, used motor oil is considered hazardous waste, since it can damage large amounts of groundwater and kill wildlife. The estimates I've seen show around 13% of motor oil is illegally dumped. See the five tabs across the top:

http://www.epa.gov/waste/conserve/materials/usedoil/index.htm

 

[willix]

I would rather shovel up after a horse than a pig or a chicken...Is that based on a California study? The facts could be very skewed by the seed eating lib crybaby's. Calif. is the only state that is known to cause cancer. It says this on every label. Jesus can cause cancer in California. I for 1 am not amongst that 13%.

 

[benjamming]

Originally Posted By: willix
How does this oil fair UOA's with extended OCI's? How much of this oil does it take to kill a lab rat in comparison to synthetic & conventional oils. Again, the products benifits are seemingly far more benificial for a distant land where eviromental standards don't get consious attention such as Hong Kong, Bombay, Moscow, ect... Engine oil is already relativly low toxcity. Has any one done a study on the effects of asphalt on the enviroment? Can you safely go 12,000mi on an OCI? Does 3 OCI's in 12,000mi make it a wash enviromental benifits? I just have this feeling that this product is as silly as corn liquor in gasoline. The false benifits only going to corn farmers.


I could not care less about the environmental aspects (true or not) in regards to RLI, or any oil for that matter. I was simply posting the link & quote to answer a question.

You can read some of RI_RS4 posts to determine its usefulness.

 

[simple_gifts]

Quote:

Cost would make it ridiculous


You missed the post where synthetic biodegradable oil is $7/qt.

Certainly not an outrageous price and it comes from by-products of other industries (or so they say)

 

[[RT] ProjUltraZ]

oil and gasoline are biodegradable, there are microbes in the soil that will eat it for food, BUT gasoline has benzene and aromatics that are both toxic and carcinogenic. new oil has less toxic stuff but used oil has heavy metals and PAHs that are toxic and carcinogenic.

given enough time, all of these will degrade to non-toxic compounds however it's the time period before this happens that poses problems to aquifers, drinking water, streams, and by direct contact if on the surface. some additives take a long time to breakdown. do a search on MtBE and drinking water. mtbe was banned in the 90s and replaced by ethanol, which is non-toxic but modifies solubility of groundwater contaminant plumes, enabling them to travel farther.

 

[PT1]

Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
Quote:

Cost would make it ridiculous


You missed the post where synthetic biodegradable oil is $7/qt.

Certainly not an outrageous price and it comes from by-products of other industries (or so they say)


That is a micro study...making biodegradeable oil in large scale would actually be more expensive. Look at the cost/benefit of ethanol. Lots of problems associated with ideas that sound simple but really do not justify implementation. You could never use by products from other industries to make enough biodegradeable oil to lubricate the entire US fleet. Doing 10% of it would be a waste of time and a distraction from a real solution. Kind of like the Hybrid car battery problems with rare metals now.

Don't tell me about french fry oil either. We should make french fries illegal because obesity from eating them kills more people than pollution and car accidents combined. If you want to really help the environment...get fat kids off fast food.

 

[simple_gifts]

Originally Posted By: willix
I would rather shovel up after a horse than a pig or a chicken...Is that based on a California study? The facts could be very skewed by the seed eating lib crybaby's. Calif. is the only state that is known to cause cancer. It says this on every label. Jesus can cause cancer in California. I for 1 am not amongst that 13%.

Respectfully, pollution isn't defined by "only things that cause cancer"

 

[Steve S]

Originally Posted By: willix
Engines love lead, no. Corn liquor. How does it reduce pollution? Tell me. Out the tailpipe? Are ya sure about that? How was the 9/10ths of a gallon gasoline benefited by a 1/10 of corn liquor? The energy used to produce that 1/10 mix costs twice as much as the gasoline it replaced. It also lowers the efficiency of the gasoline, you use more. Go have a picnic within a couple of miles of one of these corn liquor refineries and then tell me how much less pollution is benefited. How does it compare relative to a oil refinery. For political reasons farmers have been roped in to a false economy that is about to bit them in the a_ _. Food cost have risen due to corn becoming a falsely more profitable crop motivated by environmental/political reasons. The Economy trumps the environment you know that. Lead free is a good thing, pollution is a bad thing. if you can't afford to buy 9/10ths of a gallon of gas, the problem is solved.
Actually removing lead was the best thing ever for engine life. The unhardened valve seats weren't happy about the removal of lead though.