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[Gary Allan]

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If you can go 200k, 300k on yesterdays oils with a carburetor (which ran rich and dumped fuel in the oil like crazy) just think with unleaded gas, Fuel injection and todays oils will do.


Some can, Bill....and, in your case for apparent good cause, some can willingly enter into a career in oil changing. Your experience is unique ..and if you don't see that ...I don't know what to say.

By your posts, I'd say that you have to have well over 1.5million miles behind the wheel to have the multitude of 250-300k cars under your belt ..or so is the impression you give.

How many humans outside of OTR truckers or taxicab drivers have that type of experience

YMMV

 

[glennc]

I don't think Bill's experience is as unique as the fact that among people with that type of experience, few post on internet forums like this one. Those posting on forums tend to be of the enthusiast disposition, and those of the enthusiast disposition tend to gravitate to choices that appear to be "the best" regardless of cost. Throw cost into the equation, as Bill does, and things change greatly in the world of engine oil, where the humblest conventional does a superbly competent job.

 

[glennc]

I have to admit that I am curious about the sheer amount of driving the Bill seems to do, in such a variety of vehicles. He's probably explained it all before, but if so I've missed it. Maybe just a long commute and a sort of closet-enthusiast enjoyment of driving that causes him to try out all sorts of different types of vehicles?

Sorry if this is all OT.

As for ads, I think the old ads from the eighties, showing GTX as the oil that was best for small, high-revving four-cylinders, made an impression on people that are now of age to be enthusiasts posting on internet forums. I know they had an effect on me and I was a GTX user early in my driving years. As for BITOG, it has its own fashions. Right now, my ear to the ground tells me that Pennzoil conventional and PP and AMSOIL Signature Series are very much in fashion and that M1 is enjoying a bit of a resurgence. Valvoline Maxlife is out of fashion, Castrol is out of fashion, most Valvoline/QS products might as well not exist.

 

[Bryanccfshr]

I am putting only 9k miles a year on my personal truck. It will never see 200k (unless I sell or trade it to a high mileage user). In 18 years it will probably be so obsolete and ennefiecient I wouldn't want it. I will probably never pull the valve covers.
Same for the jeep. Of all the componenets on vehicles today the engine is the least of my worries reliability wise. How will the brakes work at the age of 10? How about the steering and suspension components? WIll the climate control function well? Will the wiring begin to fail? What kind of gremlins will appear? 6 month 5k mile OCI's simply put and maybe airfilters, and a 5 or 6 year major service (coolant, plugs, hoses, belts)is all I need to worry about with the engine.

So Oil that is a good value is the oil I will use. Other than the few beaters owned and abused as a teenager and young adult I have never really had a reliability issue with a car I have bought new since my first new car purchase in 1992.

 

[ericthepig]

Originally Posted By: glennc
As for ads, I think the old ads from the eighties, showing GTX as the oil that was best for small, high-revving four-cylinders, made an impression on people that are now of age to be enthusiasts posting on internet forums.


I'm staring down my 47th birthday, and this definitely brings back memories. GTX apparently hit it out of the park with those ads - that "small, high reving" line had me dropping GTX in my small "high reving" cars for at least a decade.

Then there was the one liner I heard (somewhere) back when the internet was young and Amsoil was new (to me) - "Castrol 20w50 performs like a synthetic". It was one of those things that you then always half believe because you heard it so early in the game. Kind've like when you're older brother tells you some physics "fact" when you were six years old - you can never quite shake it off no matter how idiotic it was.

 

[ericthepig]

Also, I can empathize with Bill. For instance take the ten 1 yr 25k Amsoil OCIs I did on my Mazda 323 that now has 218k miles on it.



(for the record, in case anyone took that seriously - I had one 25k OCI and several other long ones (15-20k) but I don't think I ever hit 25k again)

 

[glennc]

Originally Posted By: Johnny
Right now synthetic is around 12% of total sales. It's climbed quite a bit in the past 4 years. About 4 years ago synthetic sales accounted for about 5% of total sales.

Interesting. Synthetic used to cost about 4x what conventional did. Now it is more like 2x.

 

[lovcom]

Look what happened to that Z28 owner that didn't use Castro! His car interior filled up with ugly thick greasy sludge!
And I know it really happened cause I saw the commercial several times....and a few times in slow motion! It seems sludge can hit you anytime, anyplace and when you least expect it! I don't want that to happen to me....I only use Castro oil and 'nuff said!

 

[Vilan]

Originally Posted By: Johnny
#1 Pennzoil
#2 Quaker State
#3 Valvoline
#4 Castrol
#5 Havoline
#6 All the rest


(Reuters) (Sep 4 2008)

A survey done of the top selling brands of oil has revealed that Valvoline has jumped from the #3 spot to #1 overall.

When questioned about the sudden surge in sales, a spokesman for Valvoline stated, "It is our belief that in the last month or two, TallPaul found Maxlife on clearout at a major chain for $5/gallon and promptly bought every drop in the store. He then cleaned out every other store within a 100 mile radius, boosting our annual sales by several million gallons. In thanks for this, we will soon be releasing a special MaxPaul blend in his honour."

 

[Johnny]

Now that's funny.

 

[Gary Allan]

Quote:
I don't think Bill's experience is as unique as the fact that among people with that type of experience,


Well, that sorta goes without saying

9 out of 10 physicians type thing.

That's why it's essential not to template Bill's experience across too many divisions of usage. YMMV. That's not to say that you WON'T get the same 250k out of your vehicle ..just that you don't HAVE to do it the way Bill has.

I drove over 400 miles a day for 5 years. Sometimes up to 800+ in a day. Never gave oil much thought. The only vehicles that I really paid attention to the recommendations were my Peugeot diesel and my BMW 320i. I used M1 in my Chevette (totalled @ 187k) and screamed it up I-81 @ WOT for 60+ miles @ 90mph. blah-blah-blah. While I replaced 3 timing belts due to the lame dowel pin in the crank cog ..the thing was totally clean inside.

What can I offer other than I did what I did and saw incredible longevity out of my engines

 

[Johnny]

I wish I had a Peugeot diesel. Nice cars.

 

[Slick 55]

I have a friend whose Father-in-Law says Castrol has to be the best because they spend the most on advertising.

 

[Drivebelt]

Originally Posted By: Johnny
Right now synthetic is around 12% of total sales. It's climbed quite a bit in the past 4 years. About 4 years ago synthetic sales accounted for about 5% of total sales.


I would imagine that 12% synthetic number includes synthetic-blends? So, 12% of the market is synthetic + syn-blends?

 

[Gary Allan]

Originally Posted By: Johnny
I wish I had a Peugeot diesel. Nice cars.


Nice engine, comfortable car ..better front end than my BMW for feel, ride, and precise handling..but never out of the shop for "temperamental" behavior. ..but @ 29mpg regardless of how I drove the thing and near 3/4 ton total carrying capacity, it had it's virtues.

 

[Bill in Utah]

Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Quote:
If you can go 200k, 300k on yesterdays oils with a carburetor (which ran rich and dumped fuel in the oil like crazy) just think with unleaded gas, Fuel injection and todays oils will do.


Some can, Bill....and, in your case for apparent good cause, some can willingly enter into a career in oil changing. Your experience is unique ..and if you don't see that ...I don't know what to say.

By your posts, I'd say that you have to have well over 1.5million miles behind the wheel to have the multitude of 250-300k cars under your belt ..or so is the impression you give.

How many humans outside of OTR truckers or taxicab drivers have that type of experience

YMMV


Ok Gary. You don't believe me.

I typed up a long reply that probably get me kicked off this board after 6 years (which would you happy) or just raise my blood pressure more so I deleted it.

I'll just keep quiet. I'm the only one out here who does what I state. I'm unique.

I'll go back to my career in oil changing.

 

[glennc]

Bill, whatever you do, don't stop posting. After everything you've written here a person would have to be an idiot not to believe you, and I can tell Gary's not an idiot because he can put about six different thoughts into each sentence in parallel.

I'm sure he meant something else - or more likely four or five somethings else.

I'd sorta like to have a Peugot too, by the way. Two things I remember about them: the raving things David E Davis always said in Car and Driver when he got his hands on one, and the fact that most of the places I grew up were littered with the odd-looking things and I have a soft spot for them now.

 

[Gary Allan]

Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Quote:
If you can go 200k, 300k on yesterdays oils with a carburetor (which ran rich and dumped fuel in the oil like crazy) just think with unleaded gas, Fuel injection and todays oils will do.


Some can, Bill....and, in your case for apparent good cause, some can willingly enter into a career in oil changing. Your experience is unique ..and if you don't see that ...I don't know what to say.

By your posts, I'd say that you have to have well over 1.5million miles behind the wheel to have the multitude of 250-300k cars under your belt ..or so is the impression you give.

How many humans outside of OTR truckers or taxicab drivers have that type of experience

YMMV


Ok Gary. You don't believe me.

I typed up a long reply that probably get me kicked off this board after 6 years (which would you happy) or just raise my blood pressure more so I deleted it.

I'll just keep quiet. I'm the only one out here who does what I state. I'm unique.

I'll go back to my career in oil changing.



Bill ..I don't see where I attack you in anything I said. That's simply not the case. You've often mentioned many "250-300k" cars. If it's over 3 ..that means at least a million miles. If it's 5 or 6 ..then it's 1-1.5Mmiles. What's accusatory about that

It's the impression that I get from you. Really ..I don't see a need to go back and quote every reference where you've recited this time and time again.

So have you driven 1-1.5 million miles. Outside of OTR truckers and taxi cab drivers ..just how many people in the vast expanse of the population fall into that exceptional circumstance?? .0005% maybe??

I DO believe you. Hows that? Do you, in any stretch of the wildest imagination, think that your experience is "common"? Would not the most casual examination call your experience base "exceptional"??

..and would anyone be spewing heresy if they offered something other than your coping mechanisms would yield like results as yours in THEIR situation.

..or are you totally convinced that you're the center of the known universe of lubrication answers?

I would like to think that you don't have such delusions of grandeur and are open to opposing points of view.

I have no beef with your take on things.

I don't understand your defensive reflex here

REALLY- go in peace. No poster was harmed in this exchange.