OffShore Drilling = Oil Independence in 6 yrs?

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Originally Posted By: Panzerman

Ill give you a quick history lesson, twice the United States has defeated the German war machine and saved Europe. France would not even let us use thier air space to fly missions aginst Libia for this. I didnt know your forces were alot of help when they flew airplanes into our buildings, what did you send to Iraq, a 1000TH of what the U.S did. With the Exception, of the British, noone else has been alot of help or sent "significant" forces. If the soviets decided to invade Canada tomaarow, WHO do you think is going to stop them, the Canadian air force? WHO do you think keeps any of these countries in check around the world? The Austrailians? Its ironic, that the Japanese appreiceate the Americans more now then the countries they saved during world war two from the Axis. The statue of Liberty was a gift from another time, from another France, I doubt we would even get a card from them now.

Your Coles notes version of world history is more than a little self selective. Two times the U.S. has joined an ALLIANCE that has defeated Germany.

In WWI the U.S. joined the war in the second last year and their contributions are on par with little old Canada.

The U.S. had no interest in liberating France or inhibiting Nazi aggression until they were attacked themselves. I am not discounting the contributions of the U.S. but their contributions are no greater than that of the commonwealth or the U.S.S.R.

As to Canada, we don’t participate in illegal wars of aggression so we made the right decision of staying out of Iraq but we are making a huge commitment to Afghanistan. Geographically Canada is isolated enough that we could not be invaded other than by the U.S., besides we form alliances so we don’t have to fight alone.

Its unfortunate you are so ignorant to world affairs. The bulk of your NATO allies are contributing soldiers (who are dying) to the war in Afghanistan despite only the U.S. being attacked on Sept 11.

How conveniently we forget what France has done for the U.S. France was the Americans primary ally in your war of independence. France is also participating in Afghanistan. You should love them for what they have done for you, there might not have been a U.S.A. without help during the war.

Maybe you should think again before you P*ss all over your allies, they come to your aid when you ask besides the U.S. having a great record of acting in their own interest as well.
 
Originally Posted By: Steve S
or we could suck the Arabs dry then sell our oil the the world!! just think of it. Though it may take a long time.


I think this is a splendid idea!

Wait a minute... it may take a long time? I thought we are on the brink of running out - you mean "they" may be wrong and we're not running out?

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Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
You've got all the "mash the pedal to the metal" of a geezer who isn't going to see the end of the party in his lifetime, but you've got the naivete of a very young man.


You could have used one word instead of that diatribe!
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mori: That's enough, young man!!
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I will agree on the Walmarts and "stuff", I try to avoid them myself, Ive caught myself buying "stuff" to only come home and shelf it with more "stuff". People are carried away with credit and need to pay off items before they buy more items, Iam not full tilt, spend,spend,spend.



You may not be.. but our (and the globe's) economy is. Formerly, the health check on the economy was big ticket sales. They used to call it "consumer confidence". Then someone figured out if you just make the indicators occur frequent enough and long enough, you have the appearance of a good economy. The globe has run on our credit for a very long time. Everyone you know is "all in" on every paycheck (minor exceptions). So, the difference between one broke household on Friday evening and another is their commitment to debt. Will it be pizza ..or is dad's overtime going to carry the new car payment ..buy the bigger house...etc.??
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I do believe in expansion and development of business. Seems like their is a hatred for big business, yet thats where the jobs lie.


I dunno about that. Big business is surely where the money is.

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My latest example the state of Florida is buying out the Sugar cane growers so they can return the everglades, 1700 people out of work, so Aligators and snakes can have a natural habitat. This is what Iam aginst and I cant see it. What good are aligators? They should give people the right to kill everyone they see, they are not pretty, not nice, they are here for no other reason, that people dont want to be responsible for wiping them out, yet they should be because they are deadly and will never be anything but a danger.What makes more sense, reclaiming the everglades for humans to live on and creating a tax base or taking tax payers money and creating a habitat for alligators, that humans will never venture into and come out alive. Its this "stuff" that agrevates me.


Well, you have to include all the water foul habitats that are destroyed with shoreline development for air ports and whatnot. Nice harmless ducks for someone to shoot a co-member of their hunting party with while in some marsh land.
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Maybe Iam stuck in the wrong time, because you realize, the railroads would not have connected the East and West because of the buffalo in todays world, it would have been to disruptive to their (buffalos)environment.


You make that sound like such a bad thing. Killing buffalo was the most convenient method of clearing the prairie of nuisance animals and indigenous native populations. I really haven't researched it (I'm not well read on a few things -make that most things) ..but between beaver and buffalo, I think we owe a great deal of our natural bounty to their impact upon the environment. Not that we can do much about it now.

Now I'm not really all that fond of lethal stuff that slithers, swims, or crawls ..but I just don't go where they are ..with the exception of maybe the ocean on occasion. There I'll take my chances, but the odds are I'll suffer more risk from the fecal count than I will from Jaws.

..but if you're asking for everyone to have a progressive life, well then you've got a very big rabbit to pull out of your hat. We're experiencing certain collisions that just won't allow unlimited opportunity for a small fraction of the globes environment. It just isn't possible. Expanding markets require investment and exchanges of wealth. Guess what's expanding and guess whose wealth is exchanged? Now it's not a one way street, but the ebb and flow can sure play havoc and surely there is realignment in the process. Personally, I'd rather manage this a little more than allow it to run amok ..but what do I know ..just the results of the exchanging.
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You are seeing the results of too much success. How can you complain?? Literally billions of people will gladly swap places with you and embrace your problems.
 
Originally Posted By: Duffman77
Originally Posted By: Panzerman

Ill give you a quick history lesson, twice the United States has defeated the German war machine and saved Europe. France would not even let us use thier air space to fly missions aginst Libia for this. I didnt know your forces were alot of help when they flew airplanes into our buildings, what did you send to Iraq, a 1000TH of what the U.S did. With the Exception, of the British, noone else has been alot of help or sent "significant" forces. If the soviets decided to invade Canada tomaarow, WHO do you think is going to stop them, the Canadian air force? WHO do you think keeps any of these countries in check around the world? The Austrailians? Its ironic, that the Japanese appreiceate the Americans more now then the countries they saved during world war two from the Axis. The statue of Liberty was a gift from another time, from another France, I doubt we would even get a card from them now.

Your Coles notes version of world history is more than a little self selective. Two times the U.S. has joined an ALLIANCE that has defeated Germany.

In WWI the U.S. joined the war in the second last year and their contributions are on par with little old Canada.

The U.S. had no interest in liberating France or inhibiting Nazi aggression until they were attacked themselves. I am not discounting the contributions of the U.S. but their contributions are no greater than that of the commonwealth or the U.S.S.R.

As to Canada, we don’t participate in illegal wars of aggression so we made the right decision of staying out of Iraq but we are making a huge commitment to Afghanistan. Geographically Canada is isolated enough that we could not be invaded other than by the U.S., besides we form alliances so we don’t have to fight alone.

Its unfortunate you are so ignorant to world affairs. The bulk of your NATO allies are contributing soldiers (who are dying) to the war in Afghanistan despite only the U.S. being attacked on Sept 11.

How conveniently we forget what France has done for the U.S. France was the Americans primary ally in your war of independence. France is also participating in Afghanistan. You should love them for what they have done for you, there might not have been a U.S.A. without help during the war.

Maybe you should think again before you P*ss all over your allies, they come to your aid when you ask besides the U.S. having a great record of acting in their own interest as well.
I dont know where you learned WW2 history, but the Nazis never attacked the U.S, The Japanese did and since they were part of the axis, Germany declared war on the U.S, which the U.S had been supplying Britian with supplies which had a barb in the German side and the Americans were making all attempts to get involved, that just opened the door. The French couldnt get out of the Germans path fast enough. The French sent the revolutionaries very little and the Americans ran the blockades themselves with the supplies, the only reason the French assisted at all was Napoleons hate for the British. Regardless, about your assumptions about the United States birth, one thing is for sure, France would "definetely" not exsist without the United States and General Patton. Going to war without the French is like going deer hunting without a trumpet.
 
Our food exports need to have their prices raised by 500%.

We should do to food what OPEC did to oil prices.

You can't eat oil.......:)
 
Originally Posted By: My442
Our food exports need to have their prices raised by 500%.

We should do to food what OPEC did to oil prices.

You can't eat oil.......:)


Well, our prices for basic, US-grown food will at least double within the next two years. The writing was on the wall, and I pointed it out on BITOG some time last year when I kept hearing in the news how Americans were not spending enough on their income (<10%) on food. We can't have that! Pay more, you ingrates!
 
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
Originally Posted By: Duffman77
Originally Posted By: Panzerman

Ill give you a quick history lesson, twice the United States has defeated the German war machine and saved Europe. France would not even let us use thier air space to fly missions aginst Libia for this. I didnt know your forces were alot of help when they flew airplanes into our buildings, what did you send to Iraq, a 1000TH of what the U.S did. With the Exception, of the British, noone else has been alot of help or sent "significant" forces. If the soviets decided to invade Canada tomaarow, WHO do you think is going to stop them, the Canadian air force? WHO do you think keeps any of these countries in check around the world? The Austrailians? Its ironic, that the Japanese appreiceate the Americans more now then the countries they saved during world war two from the Axis. The statue of Liberty was a gift from another time, from another France, I doubt we would even get a card from them now.

Your Coles notes version of world history is more than a little self selective. Two times the U.S. has joined an ALLIANCE that has defeated Germany.

In WWI the U.S. joined the war in the second last year and their contributions are on par with little old Canada.

The U.S. had no interest in liberating France or inhibiting Nazi aggression until they were attacked themselves. I am not discounting the contributions of the U.S. but their contributions are no greater than that of the commonwealth or the U.S.S.R.

As to Canada, we don&#146;t participate in illegal wars of aggression so we made the right decision of staying out of Iraq but we are making a huge commitment to Afghanistan. Geographically Canada is isolated enough that we could not be invaded other than by the U.S., besides we form alliances so we don&#146;t have to fight alone.

Its unfortunate you are so ignorant to world affairs. The bulk of your NATO allies are contributing soldiers (who are dying) to the war in Afghanistan despite only the U.S. being attacked on Sept 11.

How conveniently we forget what France has done for the U.S. France was the Americans primary ally in your war of independence. France is also participating in Afghanistan. You should love them for what they have done for you, there might not have been a U.S.A. without help during the war.

Maybe you should think again before you P*ss all over your allies, they come to your aid when you ask besides the U.S. having a great record of acting in their own interest as well.
I dont know where you learned WW2 history, but the Nazis never attacked the U.S, The Japanese did and since they were part of the axis, Germany declared war on the U.S, which the U.S had been supplying Britian with supplies which had a barb in the German side and the Americans were making all attempts to get involved, that just opened the door. The French couldnt get out of the Germans path fast enough. The French sent the revolutionaries very little and the Americans ran the blockades themselves with the supplies, the only reason the French assisted at all was Napoleons hate for the British. Regardless, about your assumptions about the United States birth, one thing is for sure, France would "definetely" not exsist without the United States and General Patton. Going to war without the French is like going deer hunting without a trumpet.


Uh...Happy (belated) Fourth of July!!
 
Well, ..that depends. First you're obviously under the assumption that there's a "we" component to "our nation". This is your first mistake ..unless you've been missing out on the resistance to providing for "us". So ..now that we're over that misconception, we move to figuring that there are groups of "them" that will be doing all right when the stuff hits the fan. Our struggles in individuality are to cuddle up as close as possible to those types.


It's a fair move. Screaming about it won't help. C-3PO
 
Originally Posted By: My442
Our food exports need to have their prices raised by 500%.

We should do to food what OPEC did to oil prices.

You can't eat oil.......:)


Man cannot live on oreos alone...or cherios.

You could do that and I don't think it would really make a cracker's difference to the world food supplies...you don't "feed the world"
 
Well, not yet, but we were trying to drive out most of the global competition via undercutting their costs on agricultural products.
 
Originally Posted By: Duffman77
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
Iam so sick of hearing how much of the worlds oil supply the U.S uses, I wish we used 100% of it.


Originally Posted By: Steve S
Take the oil from Iraq till the trillions $$$ cost of the Iraqi freedom is repaid to the U.S.tax payers and the care to the soldiers who have been injured/killed fighting to give the wonderful Iraqi people their freedom and a democratic government they did not have to fight for.


Its attidtudes like these 2 that give americans their great reputation around the world. Do you honestly wonder why some people in the world hate americans?
I can equally hate them as well. I really do not care if some people in the world hate Americans.
 
Why, Shannow, how uncharacteristically punitive of you. I'm the one who's supposed to shoot from the hip in a really rude way. You're supposed to come in with the OZ round about humor on cue.

Tired of waiting for me to jump in
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Steve. We have two choices. Take a shovel to the 2/3 of the world ..or live with them. Now I'm not opposed to the shovel method, but seeing as it's very expensive ..and given past performances of those dispensing shovels, we get to do the work ..pay for it ..and don't get equal share of the bounty. In fact, others appear to benefit more for our efforts.

So, sit back ..be friendly ..and hope for that plague to come along ..and hope that you're either immune or close enough to vaccine distribution with the money to pay for it.
 
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