Off Topic: Ever heard of Firestorm spark plugs? Plasma plug tech?
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Don't be impressed by scientific sounding phrases used in advertisement.
Every time a plug ignites fuel there is a plasma between the gaps of any sparkplug.
Every time a plug ignites fuel there is a plasma between the gaps of any sparkplug.
Got it.
There's a video of one in action. It looks like a nuclear reaction compared to a traditional plug.
There's a video of one in action. It looks like a nuclear reaction compared to a traditional plug.
Originally Posted By: Hethaerto
Got it.
There's a video of one in action. It looks like a nuclear reaction compared to a traditional plug.
Just remember: the coil is what fires the mixture, all the plugs/wires do is deliver that package without losing it. NO PLUG / WIRE can deliver a better spark than the coils can issue, and they either deliver reliably -or don't. One or the other, -either all the sparks are getting there or they aren't -there is no better or worse in quality of the actual arc
Got it.
There's a video of one in action. It looks like a nuclear reaction compared to a traditional plug.
Just remember: the coil is what fires the mixture, all the plugs/wires do is deliver that package without losing it. NO PLUG / WIRE can deliver a better spark than the coils can issue, and they either deliver reliably -or don't. One or the other, -either all the sparks are getting there or they aren't -there is no better or worse in quality of the actual arc
A spark plug does one job....make a spark...one spark at a time.It cannot make a Yugo into a Ferrari,a HUMMER into a Geo Metro (mpgs),a Chevette into a Top Fuel dragster.Although plug peddlers have been trying to make people believe that for like 60 years now.
I tried out a set of the Splitfires way back when. Later I inspected them and saw that only one electrode was worn down.
Granted, they made the old Toyota pickup run well, but the old plugs may have have just needed replacing and any plug would've done fine.
Another fad that will clean out people's wallets.
Way back in the late 70s, J.C. Whitney sold a spark plug called the Fire Injector spark plugs. They had a full-page ad in each catalog where they tried to sell them. They claimed that they were so good that your RPM would increase at idle, verses a regular spark plug. I just went to Google images and found a picture of them. They look like an ordinary surface gap plug to me, but since I never bought any, what do I know?
I do know that if these products are so good, why doesn't the factory use them on brand new cars?
Way back in the late 70s, J.C. Whitney sold a spark plug called the Fire Injector spark plugs. They had a full-page ad in each catalog where they tried to sell them. They claimed that they were so good that your RPM would increase at idle, verses a regular spark plug. I just went to Google images and found a picture of them. They look like an ordinary surface gap plug to me, but since I never bought any, what do I know?
I do know that if these products are so good, why doesn't the factory use them on brand new cars?
The Firestorm plugs work in a similar fashion as the UK MoD's Challenger II plugs; using inductive capacitance they concentrate the spark into a superheated neoplasm and discharge it evenly across the combustion chamber for an extended burst across the entire ignition cycle. BMW AG has a similar concentrator program in development with their Leopard 2A6 spark arrestor coils.
Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
The Firestorm plugs work in a similar fashion as the UK MoD's Challenger II plugs; using inductive capacitance they concentrate the spark into a superheated neoplasm and discharge it evenly across the combustion chamber for an extended burst across the entire ignition cycle. BMW AG has a similar concentrator program in development with their Leopard 2A6 spark arrestor coils.
Inductive capacitance?
Superheated neoplasm?
Really?
Sounds a lot like....hydrosonic molecular accelerator technology...
The Firestorm plugs work in a similar fashion as the UK MoD's Challenger II plugs; using inductive capacitance they concentrate the spark into a superheated neoplasm and discharge it evenly across the combustion chamber for an extended burst across the entire ignition cycle. BMW AG has a similar concentrator program in development with their Leopard 2A6 spark arrestor coils.
Inductive capacitance?
Superheated neoplasm?
Really?
Sounds a lot like....hydrosonic molecular accelerator technology...
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Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
The Firestorm plugs work in a similar fashion as the UK MoD's Challenger II plugs; using inductive capacitance they concentrate the spark into a superheated neoplasm and discharge it evenly across the combustion chamber for an extended burst across the entire ignition cycle. BMW AG has a similar concentrator program in development with their Leopard 2A6 spark arrestor coils.
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In the immortal words of Sheriff Bart "You must be pulling my lariat".
......and it all goes back to common sense. If this stuff worked every OEM auto maker that sells cars in the US would have these as standard equipment to meet CAFE standards more cheaply.
The Firestorm plugs work in a similar fashion as the UK MoD's Challenger II plugs; using inductive capacitance they concentrate the spark into a superheated neoplasm and discharge it evenly across the combustion chamber for an extended burst across the entire ignition cycle. BMW AG has a similar concentrator program in development with their Leopard 2A6 spark arrestor coils.
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In the immortal words of Sheriff Bart "You must be pulling my lariat".
......and it all goes back to common sense. If this stuff worked every OEM auto maker that sells cars in the US would have these as standard equipment to meet CAFE standards more cheaply.
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Gimmick plugs just like Pulstar, E3 and other low performers.
Junk.
Ordinarily I would agree 100% however my 5.0 for example. I usually by the iridium tipped plugs but when I went to Canadian tire they didn't have 8,only 6,but they did have 8 of the E3 type plugs.
So as I'm swapping out plugs I find that they are already ngk iridiums,but I figured what the heck ,lets try em out.
I can truly say I instantly felt more response and pull throughout the entire rpm range.
I'm not one to even consider tat a spark plug increases power. Just the idea is absurd because a spark is a spark,as long as it creates combustion right. But I'm sold on the E3 plugs.
In fact when I get my 4v dyno tuned I'll ask them to give me a run on both types,just to ease my own mind,because I truly feel like an idiot even trying to convince someone that a different plug will give more power.
Well not really power,but more responsive anyways.
Gimmick plugs just like Pulstar, E3 and other low performers.
Junk.
Ordinarily I would agree 100% however my 5.0 for example. I usually by the iridium tipped plugs but when I went to Canadian tire they didn't have 8,only 6,but they did have 8 of the E3 type plugs.
So as I'm swapping out plugs I find that they are already ngk iridiums,but I figured what the heck ,lets try em out.
I can truly say I instantly felt more response and pull throughout the entire rpm range.
I'm not one to even consider tat a spark plug increases power. Just the idea is absurd because a spark is a spark,as long as it creates combustion right. But I'm sold on the E3 plugs.
In fact when I get my 4v dyno tuned I'll ask them to give me a run on both types,just to ease my own mind,because I truly feel like an idiot even trying to convince someone that a different plug will give more power.
Well not really power,but more responsive anyways.
Probably junk, but I did use Splitfires on my 1985 Escort and it did run better with them.
Plasma plugs are actually in development and really do work. They actually shoot superheated plasma directly into the cylinder.
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Gimmick plugs just like Pulstar, E3 and other low performers.
Junk.
Ordinarily I would agree 100% however my 5.0 for example. I usually by the iridium tipped plugs but when I went to Canadian tire they didn't have 8,only 6,but they did have 8 of the E3 type plugs.
So as I'm swapping out plugs I find that they are already ngk iridiums,but I figured what the heck ,lets try em out.
I can truly say I instantly felt more response and pull throughout the entire rpm range.
I'm not one to even consider tat a spark plug increases power. Just the idea is absurd because a spark is a spark,as long as it creates combustion right. But I'm sold on the E3 plugs.
In fact when I get my 4v dyno tuned I'll ask them to give me a run on both types,just to ease my own mind,because I truly feel like an idiot even trying to convince someone that a different plug will give more power.
Well not really power,but more responsive anyways.
That's a fair and honest reply to my comment for sure and I can respect your experience. If you do get a dyno run that would really rule things out for sure.
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Gimmick plugs just like Pulstar, E3 and other low performers.
Junk.
Ordinarily I would agree 100% however my 5.0 for example. I usually by the iridium tipped plugs but when I went to Canadian tire they didn't have 8,only 6,but they did have 8 of the E3 type plugs.
So as I'm swapping out plugs I find that they are already ngk iridiums,but I figured what the heck ,lets try em out.
I can truly say I instantly felt more response and pull throughout the entire rpm range.
I'm not one to even consider tat a spark plug increases power. Just the idea is absurd because a spark is a spark,as long as it creates combustion right. But I'm sold on the E3 plugs.
In fact when I get my 4v dyno tuned I'll ask them to give me a run on both types,just to ease my own mind,because I truly feel like an idiot even trying to convince someone that a different plug will give more power.
Well not really power,but more responsive anyways.
That's a fair and honest reply to my comment for sure and I can respect your experience. If you do get a dyno run that would really rule things out for sure.
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Gimmick plugs just like Pulstar, E3 and other low performers.
Junk.
Ordinarily I would agree 100% however my 5.0 for example. I usually by the iridium tipped plugs but when I went to Canadian tire they didn't have 8,only 6,but they did have 8 of the E3 type plugs.
So as I'm swapping out plugs I find that they are already ngk iridiums,but I figured what the heck ,lets try em out.
I can truly say I instantly felt more response and pull throughout the entire rpm range.
I'm not one to even consider tat a spark plug increases power. Just the idea is absurd because a spark is a spark,as long as it creates combustion right. But I'm sold on the E3 plugs.
In fact when I get my 4v dyno tuned I'll ask them to give me a run on both types,just to ease my own mind,because I truly feel like an idiot even trying to convince someone that a different plug will give more power.
Well not really power,but more responsive anyways.
That's a fair and honest reply to my comment for sure and I can respect your experience. If you do get a dyno run that would really rule things out for sure.
I've got to. I feel like an idiot even making the suggestion. I've never felt any difference when changing plugs,ever,so for the thought to cross my mind goes against what I've experienced in the past.
And I figure if its on the dyno why not give it a shot. Maybe E3 will pay for my dyno sheets if there is any real measurable difference.
If not then I save myself future expenditure by buying the cheapest plug on the wall,because they don't help.
We'll see I guess.
And gmboy I didn't pick your quote for any other reason other than I agree wholeheartedly,except this time I felt an actual difference.
The buttdyno is subjective and rarely accurate but I'll find out for sure. One way or another.
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Gimmick plugs just like Pulstar, E3 and other low performers.
Junk.
Ordinarily I would agree 100% however my 5.0 for example. I usually by the iridium tipped plugs but when I went to Canadian tire they didn't have 8,only 6,but they did have 8 of the E3 type plugs.
So as I'm swapping out plugs I find that they are already ngk iridiums,but I figured what the heck ,lets try em out.
I can truly say I instantly felt more response and pull throughout the entire rpm range.
I'm not one to even consider tat a spark plug increases power. Just the idea is absurd because a spark is a spark,as long as it creates combustion right. But I'm sold on the E3 plugs.
In fact when I get my 4v dyno tuned I'll ask them to give me a run on both types,just to ease my own mind,because I truly feel like an idiot even trying to convince someone that a different plug will give more power.
Well not really power,but more responsive anyways.
That's a fair and honest reply to my comment for sure and I can respect your experience. If you do get a dyno run that would really rule things out for sure.
I've got to. I feel like an idiot even making the suggestion. I've never felt any difference when changing plugs,ever,so for the thought to cross my mind goes against what I've experienced in the past.
And I figure if its on the dyno why not give it a shot. Maybe E3 will pay for my dyno sheets if there is any real measurable difference.
If not then I save myself future expenditure by buying the cheapest plug on the wall,because they don't help.
We'll see I guess.
And gmboy I didn't pick your quote for any other reason other than I agree wholeheartedly,except this time I felt an actual difference.
The buttdyno is subjective and rarely accurate but I'll find out for sure. One way or another.
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