"OEM Surplus" collision parts?

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Originally Posted By: Tegger
Originally Posted By: eljefino
If it's the end of a body style, won't GM pop out a bunch of fenders etc while they still have the dies set up?

I used to do a lot of work for Tier-1 suppliers (OEMs to the automakers). Below is a compilation of what I was told by the engineers:

When a car is in production, parts are made primarily for the assembly line, with a trickle (about 10%) being diverted to the warehouse for repair parts. I think the parts for the assembly plant were called "line" parts. I remember the diverted trickle being referred to as "distribution" parts.

Once the car (or the model year, for MY-specific parts) is out of production, parts continue to be made for a period of time to top-up warehouse stocks. The quantity produced for the warehouse is based on estimated repair demand for that particular part. Suppliers will keep tooling around for several (or many) years past end-of-production for the model which uses that part.

If supply of a particular out-of-production part begins to run low, the automaker will determine the level of demand, and possibly place an order with the suppliers for a new run of parts. This run is necessarily very tiny compared to the production runs, which is one reason OE repair parts are so expensive. If demand is very low but the vehicle still fairly new, the automaker may still order a new run, but will let orders pile up until they make the new run worth doing (that's what causes some of those "backorders").

Sometimes runs of out-of-production parts are produced until tooling wears out or breaks, at which point it's usually not economic to make new tooling. Sometimes they're produced until demand drops below a certain level. If a part is used on many models (e.g.: brake pads), or there is continual heavy demand (e.g.: wiper rubbers), that part may be available nearly forever. Dealer-install parts (e.g.: rear mudflaps) are usually the first to disappear from stocks; typically there are no new runs of those parts. There is NO law which says that automakers must produce repair parts for a certain number of years.



That is absolutely correct. We, for example, currently build liftgates for the parts distrubution channel in between the same parts built for the assembly line.
 
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Fill me in.

If it's the end of a body style, won't GM pop out a bunch of fenders etc while they still have the dies set up?

What would you get if you went to a GM dealer for a collison part for an eight year old car? (They have to support for eight years.) Would it have been popped and warehoused? Or do they do small runs later on?

As they're still making OP's Cruze, would a genuine replacement fender come from a production run batch or from some other place?


No such thing as an 8 year rule. We have parts for cars 5 years old that are obsolete.
 
Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Fill me in.

If it's the end of a body style, won't GM pop out a bunch of fenders etc while they still have the dies set up?

What would you get if you went to a GM dealer for a collison part for an eight year old car? (They have to support for eight years.) Would it have been popped and warehoused? Or do they do small runs later on?

As they're still making OP's Cruze, would a genuine replacement fender come from a production run batch or from some other place?


No such thing as an 8 year rule. We have parts for cars 5 years old that are obsolete.




See, thats something that always bothered me about the American automakers. I can go to the BMW dealer and get [censored] near any part for say, a 1968 2002. Or a Mercedes dealer for anything for their early 1950's Merc.
 
Originally Posted By: KenO
[See, thats something that always bothered me about the American automakers. I can go to the BMW dealer and get [censored] near any part for say, a 1968 2002. Or a Mercedes dealer for anything for their early 1950's Merc.


As an owner of a 1982 BMW, I can tell you they certainly do not have most parts for all cars. There are some they seem to have availability, but for me it has not been easy.
 
Don't start thinking it is America's carmakers that discontinue parts too quickly.

I can't count the number of times when an Acura that is completely different from any Honda is impossible to get stuff for.
 
Why not just get used parts if available? Aftermarket parts are trash typically unless they supply OEM.

My best luck with auto body work is OEM or used parts(OEM). The used stuff is pretty cheap. For example my brothers 2001 Saab 95 was rear ending and the insurance estimated $3000 to fix. The autobody was able to locate the rear end of a Saab 95 in excellent condition for $100. My brother is pocketing the $1300 difference in the bill.
 
^ because cruzes aren't a dozen years old yet.

In another thread it was revealed that cruzes have a wierd 105mm wheel bolt pattern that makes it hard to find snow tire rims.
 
Originally Posted By: cchase
Originally Posted By: KenO
[See, thats something that always bothered me about the American automakers. I can go to the BMW dealer and get [censored] near any part for say, a 1968 2002. Or a Mercedes dealer for anything for their early 1950's Merc.


As an owner of a 1982 BMW, I can tell you they certainly do not have most parts for all cars. There are some they seem to have availability, but for me it has not been easy.



What are you not able to get?
 
Originally Posted By: cchase
Originally Posted By: KenO


What are you not able to get?


As a seemingly simple example, a radio antenna.



E21? If so, you're right - shockingly. Thats the first part I've seen just straight-up ended without either a superceeded p/n, or a cross-reference to SOMETHING else. Have you contacted Mobile Tradition maybe? Or is that car not old enough yet for MT to be making parts for it??


http://www.carscoops.com/2007/08/bmw-mobile-tradition-new-parts-for-old.html
 
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Originally Posted By: dan_erickson
It is a GM part that is not in perfect condition or has a flaw so the factory did not use it.


GM does not sell imperfect parts from the factory- we scrap them. They go out to be recycled not sold to the public.
 
I saw the car today, and will pick it up early next week once they're done with the paint. The parts on there sure looked new, or excellent condition used parts that were reconditioned to like-new.
 
Bringing this to a close, as far as I could tell the parts that went onto the car were new GM parts. The hood had all the weatherstripping in the right places, and it looked new. The headlight sure looks like brand-new OEM, and sure performs like OEM.

It looks like I got either lucky, or some of the OEM parts meant for collision repair. Either way, the car looks like new, and performs like it too. I can't tell where the paint was blended in.
 
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