Non inverter generators for home use.

[chorty]

hahaha. yikes. who added the catch can? tecumseh or sears? haha.

i wouldn't mind putting up with it some drippy drippy. I'm getting annoyed and tired of stick welding with car batteries everytime i break something out beyond the shop reach. The big Lincoln tombstone leads are only 300 Ft long.

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this one?

https://www.powerequipmentforum.com/attachments/overall-jpg.19249/

 

[Cujet]

hahaha. yikes. who added the catch can? tecumseh or sears? haha.

i wouldn't mind putting up with it some drippy drippy. I'm getting annoyed and tired of stick welding with car batteries everytime i break something out beyond the shop reach. The big Lincoln tombstone leads are only 300 Ft long.

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this one?

https://www.powerequipmentforum.com/attachments/overall-jpg.19249/

It was a lot like that, tan in color. The catch can was OEM, not sure if Sears or the engine maker required it, but it needed it.

 

[chexxers]

that post makes me feel ok running my duromax XP 5500E if ever needed. years ago pa had outages + i shared my little B+S unit inherited from my dad which did fine in the warm weather!!

 

[chorty]

HEY!, in desperate times. a man can make 120v of 1500watts not spoil food and stay warm. If you understand electrons, you will not and ever struggle.

the men that do struggle want 240v that's lightweight. and no one makes anything portable and manageable. The 120v inverter scene has really washed that demand heavily. I would rather spend 5x the money on something that makes 1500watts of 240v vs something that makes 5000 watts of 120v.

120v is partially useless. Everything serious or is productive on light gauge wire is not 120v.
The wattage of 480v @ 8 amps is outstanding on 14ga wire. To make the same work on 120v you'll bring 10ga to it's knees, possibly fire stress if the insulation isn't rated....

 

[JimPghPA]

Maybe some of the electronic/electrical guys can explain why an inverter might produce better quality electricity by electronically mimicking the waveform of an actual rotating generator. My experience with inverters is that they produce a square wave rather than a sine wave. Do the inverter generators made by companies like Honda have advanced circuitry that produces higher quality electricity?

Yup.

 

[The_Eric]

HEY!, in desperate times. a man can make 120v of 1500watts not spoil food and stay warm. If you understand electrons, you will not and ever struggle.

the men that do struggle want 240v that's lightweight. and no one makes anything portable and manageable. The 120v inverter scene has really washed that demand heavily. I would rather spend 5x the money on something that makes 1500watts of 240v vs something that makes 5000 watts of 120v.

120v is partially useless. Everything serious or is productive on light gauge wire is not 120v.
The wattage of 480v @ 8 amps is outstanding on 14ga wire. To make the same work on 120v you'll bring 10ga to it's knees, possibly fire stress if the insulation isn't rated....

You sure? That's 3840 watts (8A at 480V)

That should translate to 32 amps at 120v and 10ga is rated for 30 amps in a conduit (or at least used to be, not sure if the NEC has changed?) and presumably a fair bit more in free air.

 

[JimPghPA]

Circuit boards do not run on AC current, it is rectified to DC. All board have large bypass capacitors that shunt AC to ground. That includes refrigerators. I would not worry about it. If you are worried about ripple affecting a computer you could use a UPS in front of it.

Normally, in electronic engineering the term shunt to ground indicates placing an equivalent of a short ( direct pathway with very low resistance ) to ground. Therefore, the term " stunts AC to ground " is incorrect regarding how capacitors are used in power-suplies that convert AC to DC to power solid-state circuits commonly found on printed circuit boards.

Capacitors store current into them when the voltage potential applied to them is greater than the voltage potential they are charged to, and supply current out when an electrical load is placed on them. There is no current through a capacitor. Therefore, they are not in any way a shunt.

I posted the above, because referring to capacitors being used to shunt AC to ground may mislead and / or confuse people who are still learning how electronics works.

 

[chorty]

HEY!, in desperate times. a man can make 120v of 1500watts not spoil food and stay warm. If you understand electrons, you will not and ever struggle.

the men that do struggle want 240v that's lightweight. and no one makes anything portable and manageable. The 120v inverter scene has really washed that demand heavily. I would rather spend 5x the money on something that makes 1500watts of 240v vs something that makes 5000 watts of 120v.

120v is partially useless. Everything serious or is productive on light gauge wire is not 120v.
The wattage of 480v @ 8 amps is outstanding on 14ga wire. To make the same work on 120v you'll bring 10ga to it's knees, possibly fire stress if the insulation isn't rated....

You sure? That's 3840 watts (8A at 480V)

That should translate to 32 amps at 120v and 10ga is rated for 30 amps in a conduit (or at least used to be, not sure if the NEC has changed?) and presumably a fair bit more in free air.

Yup. I'm sure.

14ga will take 8amps, and 32 Amps brings 10ga wire to it's knees (too much), both do the same "work".

Seems accurate. 120v is kinda useless besides lightbulbs, battery chargers and glow in the dark rectangles.

Anyone who uses any amount of electricity uses 3ph anyways. You are your own loss at that point instead of paying for the loss on the neutral out of pocket.

At my shop our biweekly 3ph bill is around $90,000. Yes, every 2 weeks.

And last month we rented two 50ft semi trailers to generate 3ph to test some stuff for a few weeks. 600 gallons a day. We didn't have enough busbar to do those jobs and everyday BS. The one job sucked 3000 amps of 480v. Yum yum yum. The PO wanted 7000 pounds of aluminum heat soaked @ 200*c for 48 hours, then while its hot, keep the heaters on (450amps of 480v), while bringing 18 480v 3ph compressor's setup in cascade to fight to heat soak plus the electric heaters, and chill a 12x12x16ft chamber in under 30 mins and stabilize @ -70*C. MONSTER job.

And yes, our hookup before job is all thhn free air. I've gambled and went a size smaller when I couldn't find what I needed, or didn't want to make a string for a job.

Ahhh, the electrons. Always buzzing.

 

[chorty]

Double post