No offense intended, but you may want to familiarize yourself with lithium ion batteries and their thermal runaway exposures.
No ship fires so far have been directly blamed on EVs
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Mine as well. Dunno the numbers exactly, but the Tesla Comprehensive pretty much doubled. We just pay and pay...My auto insurance went up 26% this year, nothing changed, nothing. In fact the one vehicle with full coverage is a year older and worth less than it was a year ago. My cars are also covered to the max, that hasn't changed either. My credit score is in the 800's as is my wife's, so we can't blame that. The way I see it greed and the sins of others drove those rates up. Regarding L.I. and attorney's you got that right, everything else I pretty much covered.
Quite familiar with this.
The point is that these battery packs are not necessarily involved in fires on RORO ships and are not the usual cause.
Fair point — EV’s may not have been the origin cause here, but it doesn’t change the fact that a fire event on a RORO has become fundamentally different due to the quantity of EV’s on board.
Check out the links I provided in the post you replied to.
Plenty of ship fires where EVs on board were neither the cause of nor became involved in the blaze.
I agree with you that any shipboard fire involving a Li-ion battery pack would be very bad and probably not practically extinguishable.
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And I think that's the issue, a battery fire is considerably more problematic and difficult to manage than a traditional fire, which can be put out using traditional means. Battery fires produce their own fuel, so traditional fire fighting methods don't work. This has created issues not only for dealing with vehicle fires on the road, but also post collision, at repair and storage centres as well as in transport. Even when "out" they often spontaneously reignite, sometimes multiple times. I remember that car that Hammond almost died it, it caught fire by itself several times after the crash, for DAYS.
We see the same thing with grid storage battery fires, they just let them burn out and try to isolate the affected modules, because they can't put them out.
I'm hearing numbers like a billion dollars being thrown around.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ning-midas-sinks-cargo-ship-fire/84348819007/
The ship which was filled with fuel oil, Chinese Tuk tuks including 681 mild hybrids and 70 micro EVs bound for the Mexican market has sunk.
Ya put hundreds of vehicles each made from thousands of parts each manufactured at the lowest possible cost and pack them in a big metal box in a way that if even one of them self ignites it spreads to practically all the others. Yea, great idea. What could possibly go wrong with that.
And if something does go wrong, deny it so future insurance cost don't go through the roof, and your attorneys have at least a speck of legal ground to argue with to keep insurance cost and other shipping qualifications from making future shipping economical impossable.
Bureaucracy in action here, nothing new to see.
And if something does go wrong, deny it so future insurance cost don't go through the roof, and your attorneys have at least a speck of legal ground to argue with to keep insurance cost and other shipping qualifications from making future shipping economical impossable.
Bureaucracy in action here, nothing new to see.
ugh... I see I already replied to you weeks ago!My auto insurance went up 26% this year, nothing changed, nothing. In fact the one vehicle with full coverage is a year older and worth less than it was a year ago. My cars are also covered to the max, that hasn't changed either. My credit score is in the 800's as is my wife's, so we can't blame that. The way I see it greed and the sins of others drove those rates up. Regarding L.I. and attorney's you got that right, everything else I pretty much covered.
Not in that reply is I dont accept rate increases. I dont get upset. I just switch companies, example, last insurance company based on a recommendation in here was Costco 2 years ago (approx)and they were great, for one year then the price went up, gives me a chance to go internet shopping.
For over a decade now our insurance for both vehicles, insured as I post to you in the last reply has staying between $950 to under $1,200 ANNUALLY. Never more, new company now has got me back to what I have been paying forever.
Most people would never believe how often I changed Home Insurance and Car Insurance companies over the last 20 years. ANYTIME I find a better price I switch, even if int he middle of a current insurance term. Easy stuff with the internet.
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Interesting story on insurance rates. Really goes to show, depending on where you live, how you drive, your insurance score and your credit score plus the vehicle you drive. Obviously EVs will be more to insure, they cost more to repair. Part of the Tesla things might be recent vandalism but this story rules most of that out.
Im shocked at what people pay. Makes me feel good at whatever I am doing!
My insurance liability coverage exceeds what I think the majority is insured for on top of everything else and I pay what feels like nothing looking at these numbers.
The story isnt just about Tesla and to me, ALL these posted insurance costs seem just plain wrong that they are so high. Being my total is less than $1,200 a year for two vehicles. These prices reflect $2000 plus for one vehicle.
https://electrek.co/2025/04/14/tesl...ncresing-at-twice-market-rate-amid-vandalism/
I switch companies too, however after shopping other companies, and with two brokers I determined even with a 26% increase my rate was substantially less than I could get anywhere else. Familiarity breeds contempt with insurance companies, and it is only getting worse imo. Funny how with all the disasters they manage to report record profits. A great way to tame inflation would be to keep the insurance companies in line, the current system for monitoring them is a joke! LOL
Final thought, keep in mind downstate NY is a totally different animal, and it's only getting worse. We're catching up to CA in a lot of ways, not good.
I'm not sure how you do that. People think the "free market" makes everything cheaper, better, and more greater in every way. But not when they have you captive. Insurance companies are not your friend; they are in the business of making $$.
In other words it was carrying low quality poorly engineered Chinese EVs. Not quality EVs.
And the media doesn't bother looking past the point there were a few micro-EVs on board as that fits the desired narrative: EVs burn when shipped. Never mind the fuel oil.
oh my you don’t think my memory is that short do you?!?!!!?
Just yesterday, my sister asked me how much my property taxes are down here.
$1366. +200 in vehicle taxes for my two cars, boat and motorcycle = $1566.
On Long Island that could be more like a month instead of the year I pay above
Not sure how to do it either, but the current regulations are a joke. There are a lot of people a lot smarter than I am that should try and figure something out. When I called to complain about my increase I was told NYS allowed it. California and Florida are a total joke when it comes to insurance prices, it's driving people out of those states big time.
Check Costco, if you haven't. I'm 72 with a perfect driving record. Wifey is 10 years younger and never even had a ticket. I live in a very safe zip code.
When I saw the jump in the Tesla comp, I almost .... I'm afraid to compare the other cars. So I just pay and pay...
I tried them, they were higher than what I'm paying with The Hartford. Come renewal time in March I will certainly check them again.
Statistics lie.
This latest one make it 9 car haulers lost to fire in 10 years. It will be 10 in 10 here pretty soon.
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