At least around here, anyways. Wife's Cav needs a flush and fill. None of the local shops around here are using Dex. They all have started using the all makes/all models stuff. And I'm not so sure about that. So it looks like either I buy my own Dex, or just go G-05. So should I just go with the G-05 in her Ecotec? (2.2) I usually don't stray, but in this case I want the good stuff!
No more Dexcool....
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Universal is the future,
I like (and used) Peak Global lifetime in my GMC and Moms 4.8l V8 Silverado. Also used it in the Subaru and Toyota.
I like that it comes full strength and can be mixed properly.
Bill
I like that it comes full strength and can be mixed properly.
Bill
What does the Owner's manual say? I'm generally one to not stray (too) far from the owner's manual or dealer recommendations...hehe.
As far as "around here" - I still see DexCool on the shelves, but the product doesn't move (sell) as much or as often as the regular $7 jug of 50/50 Coolant/Antifreeze
As far as "around here" - I still see DexCool on the shelves, but the product doesn't move (sell) as much or as often as the regular $7 jug of 50/50 Coolant/Antifreeze
The all makes is usually Prestone or Peak's version of Dexcool, so basically Dexcool. If you were to go and buy Prestone Dexcool you would be getting about the same thing as Prestone all makes. I would get the Dexcool if I were buying it, if nothing else because you get coolant dyed properly. I would get Havoline Dexcool or Zerex. Dexcool seems to work fine in Cavaliers.
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
I like (and used) Peak Global lifetime in my GMC and Moms 4.8l V8 Silverado. Also used it in the Subaru and Toyota.
I like that it comes full strength and can be mixed properly.
Bill
And no issues at all?
I like (and used) Peak Global lifetime in my GMC and Moms 4.8l V8 Silverado. Also used it in the Subaru and Toyota.
I like that it comes full strength and can be mixed properly.
Bill
And no issues at all?
Originally Posted By: daves87rs
Okay-called NAPA
My choices are- G-05 (Zerex) 12.49 a gallon
Havoline OEM Dexcool 12.49 a gallon
ALL of the NAPAs around here also carry the Zerex Dex Cool, which I have been told is superior to the Havoline (but have NO proof of this statement
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I would like to convert to the Peak Lifetime Gold as well, but don't feel like popping freeze plugs and all of the other cr*p to comletely drain the block/heads/etc.
I was also told (By Zerex techs/engineers themselves) NOT to use G-05 in a Dex Cool system. They claimed it still had too much silicate and other compounds in the formula.
This was going to be my other choice to dump the DC until I was this by the techs.
Okay-called NAPA
My choices are- G-05 (Zerex) 12.49 a gallon
Havoline OEM Dexcool 12.49 a gallon
ALL of the NAPAs around here also carry the Zerex Dex Cool, which I have been told is superior to the Havoline (but have NO proof of this statement
I would like to convert to the Peak Lifetime Gold as well, but don't feel like popping freeze plugs and all of the other cr*p to comletely drain the block/heads/etc.
I was also told (By Zerex techs/engineers themselves) NOT to use G-05 in a Dex Cool system. They claimed it still had too much silicate and other compounds in the formula.
This was going to be my other choice to dump the DC until I was this by the techs.
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Universal is the future,
If you visit any of the major part's stores you could say, it's the now. Based on what they sell, the universals dwarf anything else sold. At O'R, it's either universal varients (premix etc.) or labeled dex.
Bill, mentions Peak Global Life in full strength, might be a good choice but try finding it.
BUT, here's some news, I found WALDO! Stumbled on PGL full strength at a local CircleK/Shell convenience gas, while looking for a newspaper. The cramped store had several gallons on the bottom shelf at what looked like $9.91(not much room to even bend down and look), not bad. No telling how long it had been there, or that they will continue to carry it.
Too late for me though, I already used Chevron Supreme LS green with the rad change. Had it not expressly said low silicated, I likely would have gone with Peal Extended Life universal from Wally for $9.50 a gal. I not against using a universal again, the radiator shop owner, in his opinion, didn't cause my rad leak.
When I took my old radiator to a local shop to let it him have it recycle, he said all he now uses is traditional green or universal, no dexcool.
To the OP, find the capacity of your system in the OM, it should be there. If not you could check with local parts store(s) they might have it. Then use full strength coolant of choice to at least 50% and top with distilled water. My new radiator calls for distilled use to maintain the NAPA warranty, which is what I use anyway. It cheap insurance in jugs at wally.
Universal is the future,
If you visit any of the major part's stores you could say, it's the now. Based on what they sell, the universals dwarf anything else sold. At O'R, it's either universal varients (premix etc.) or labeled dex.
Bill, mentions Peak Global Life in full strength, might be a good choice but try finding it.
BUT, here's some news, I found WALDO! Stumbled on PGL full strength at a local CircleK/Shell convenience gas, while looking for a newspaper. The cramped store had several gallons on the bottom shelf at what looked like $9.91(not much room to even bend down and look), not bad. No telling how long it had been there, or that they will continue to carry it.
Too late for me though, I already used Chevron Supreme LS green with the rad change. Had it not expressly said low silicated, I likely would have gone with Peal Extended Life universal from Wally for $9.50 a gal. I not against using a universal again, the radiator shop owner, in his opinion, didn't cause my rad leak.
When I took my old radiator to a local shop to let it him have it recycle, he said all he now uses is traditional green or universal, no dexcool.
To the OP, find the capacity of your system in the OM, it should be there. If not you could check with local parts store(s) they might have it. Then use full strength coolant of choice to at least 50% and top with distilled water. My new radiator calls for distilled use to maintain the NAPA warranty, which is what I use anyway. It cheap insurance in jugs at wally.
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And no issues at all?
With the Toyota there should be none it meets
ASTM D3306 and ATSM D4340 the same as Toyota super long life coolant
ATSM D4340 alum corrosion protection
ATSM D3306 This specification covers the requirements for ethylene glycol or propylene glycol base engine coolants used in automobiles
For me Toyota owner the Peak Global seems to be the best out there
And no issues at all?
With the Toyota there should be none it meets
ASTM D3306 and ATSM D4340 the same as Toyota super long life coolant
ATSM D4340 alum corrosion protection
ATSM D3306 This specification covers the requirements for ethylene glycol or propylene glycol base engine coolants used in automobiles
For me Toyota owner the Peak Global seems to be the best out there
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Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
.... Because several years ago, a Zerex engineer was interviewed by an old car magazine, and said that G-05 was the safest coolant they made in that it protects almost every combination of metals, has cavitation protection, and does it without plasticizers or other potentially harmful side-effects (I wish I still had a link to that source, but I can't find it). Now he was NOT talking specifically about replacing DeathCool in GM vehicles with OEM DeathCool, but the general conclusion has always been that its fine for that use because silicates are harmless UNLESS you let the coolant age so long that they begin to precipitate- which is on the order of 3-5 years for G-05. That shouldn't be a problem
G-05 is a fine all-purpose coolant.
The only reason why Zerex changed its tune is that they now sell a variety of coolants for niche markets, including the Asian OAT coolant.
In Europe the G-05 is being replaced by a similar coolant that is a bit more environmental friendly with a slightly different OAT.
I've been using G-05 for about 20 years in a wide variety of vehicles. It is very easy on impellers and seals because it is very low silicate.
On the other hand, unlike Dexcool and the other OATs, it handles cavitation much better.
In a perfect world, if all goes well, Dexcool in GM cars, similar OATs in Audi, VW, Renault, and other Europeans, and the Asian-style OATs in the Asian vehicles works fine.
But if anything goes wrong at all, G-05 has a bigger safety net.
.... Because several years ago, a Zerex engineer was interviewed by an old car magazine, and said that G-05 was the safest coolant they made in that it protects almost every combination of metals, has cavitation protection, and does it without plasticizers or other potentially harmful side-effects (I wish I still had a link to that source, but I can't find it). Now he was NOT talking specifically about replacing DeathCool in GM vehicles with OEM DeathCool, but the general conclusion has always been that its fine for that use because silicates are harmless UNLESS you let the coolant age so long that they begin to precipitate- which is on the order of 3-5 years for G-05. That shouldn't be a problem
G-05 is a fine all-purpose coolant.
The only reason why Zerex changed its tune is that they now sell a variety of coolants for niche markets, including the Asian OAT coolant.
In Europe the G-05 is being replaced by a similar coolant that is a bit more environmental friendly with a slightly different OAT.
I've been using G-05 for about 20 years in a wide variety of vehicles. It is very easy on impellers and seals because it is very low silicate.
On the other hand, unlike Dexcool and the other OATs, it handles cavitation much better.
In a perfect world, if all goes well, Dexcool in GM cars, similar OATs in Audi, VW, Renault, and other Europeans, and the Asian-style OATs in the Asian vehicles works fine.
But if anything goes wrong at all, G-05 has a bigger safety net.
I agree almost 100% except for the part about Asian style coolants. They are phosphated and also provide cavitation protection as well.
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