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Originally Posted By: gfh77665
Originally Posted By: grampi

Without any SB wins he's gonna have to do a hellova lot more than he has to get into the HOF..


Here is one who didn't win a SB:

http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.aspx?player_id=238

Are you really comparing Romo to Marino?

The PI call was wrong. Aikman, Buck, and Perreira all said it was wrong. I can't argue with them. That fact that Dez wasn't flagged for being on the field arguing and wasn't flagged is shocking.
The lack of a penalty didn't lose the game for the Lions. The Lions did.

Originally Posted By: gfh77665
I love all this whining about the Cowboys! The haters are suffering right now, LOL!

One of the things I love about sports is seeing how quickly people go to the hater card. Any time a person makes a negative comment toward a team, they're labeled a hater. Even if the comment is true.
 
Originally Posted By: gfh77665
Originally Posted By: whip

Are you really comparing Romo to Marino?



http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

You are right its a bad comparison. HOF Marino is just #18 ranked, Romo is way ahead at #2. Romo is ahead of the likes of Manning, Young, Brady, Montana!

There is PERCEPTION then there is facts!

Chad Pennington, Duante Culpepper and Jeff Garcia are on that list above Marino. I didnt realize Marino was that bad...lol...that chart lost all credibility for me...
 
Originally Posted By: gfh77665
Originally Posted By: whip

Are you really comparing Romo to Marino?



http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

You are right its a bad comparison. HOF Marino is just #18 ranked, Romo is way ahead at #2. Romo is ahead of the likes of Manning, Young, Brady, Montana!

There is PERCEPTION then there is facts!

What rating would Marino have if he played in the current passer happy rules? According to your list, Elway is the 64th best QB. Do you feel that's accurate? Call me crazy, but I don't think the 64th best of anything belongs in the hall of fame.
 
Originally Posted By: whip

What rating would Marino have if he played in the current passer happy rules? According to your list,


What rating would Matt Ryan have if he had better receivers?
What rating would Brett Favre have if he had had a better coach?
What rating would Jay Cutler have if the weather was better in Chicago?

Seriously, do you all think the stats in that link are just somehow "made up" for Tony Romos sake? The stats are what they are, for each QB vs. "the league". What more do you want? Is it impossible to acknowledge the excellence of Romo, even when its in front of you all in black & white? WOW.
 
Originally Posted By: gfh77665
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI

Romo in the HOF???
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Now that would be an even bigger blown call than the ref's picking up the flag in this game. Wow! That is nuts.


Let me know what you think after you read this:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

There is PERCEPTION then there is facts!


Oh please. There is far more to a HOF resume than the QB Rating. Stats aren't everything. How about consistently winning big games( not every one just the majority of them )? How about some big playoff wins and actually having a winning playoff record? I mean getting there is one thing but if you never win anything what does that say about the QB? How about winning a Championship( SB )or at least getting there? What has Romo ever won? The answer is NOTHING!

In big games he has historically choked them away with a bad pass or some other botched play. This playoff win over Detroit is only his 2nd playoff win ever and it took the ref's helping his team to get it. Even with that help he is just 2-3 in the playoffs( should be 1-4 )and has never advanced further than the 1st round. That doesn't sound like a HOF caliber QB to me.

I am not saying he has to win the SB or anything. However, he should have a better record( not perception - his record is fact )in the playoffs and big games. He may wind up with good regular season numbers( which would do it if his team always sucked around him but that is not the case in Dallas - he has always had the weapons )but until he can perform in the big ones and get rid of his earned" choker" legacy he is not HOF worthy. He is just another regular season above average QB who puts up stats but when it is on the line in the big game doesn't come through. He is the NFC's Andy Daulton(sp?).

Now if Romo goes into GB and beats them at Lambeau and does it without any help from the ref's, and the win doesn't come in spite of his poor play( i.e. he actually plays good and is the reason/or part of the reason they win ), that is a step toward changing his legacy. If he goes on from their to win or at least play well in the NFC Championship, or even the SB, he will have made strides win or lose. However, if he goes into Lambeau next weekend and lays another playoff, big game, egg then it will just show people he is not elite. Just an above average regular season QB as said who chokes come crunch time.

I will also point out that QB stats in the modern NFL are vastly inflated by the way the league has hampered the defense. So guys like Romo may put up #'s that far exceed those of previous generations of QB's, including those in the HOF now, but that doesn't mean he is in their class. What would those guys do if they played today and couldn't be touched and the DB's couldn't go near the receivers? Imagine what a QB like Dan Fouts could do with the rules as they are today.

I am sorry but Romo being a HOF worthy player is just not a reasonable conversation unless he drastically turns things around in the coming years. The QB's playing now who are HOF worthy are guys like Manning, Brady, Rogers, and Brees. Maybe throw in Joe Flacco who is good in the regular season but is a playoff warrior and he has a SB Championship. Would you put Romo in their class? If you say yes then we are done with the discussion.
 
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Is there any way we can get back on topic? There's more than one team and player in the NFL playoffs. There's also a separate Dallas thread here....!
 
The reason Romo is hated so much is because Romo has been crucified by the media through the years. I remember a game years ago where it was Dal vs. PHI. In the previews they showed maybe 4 clips of Romo, then 4 of McNabb.

First Romo: badly incomplete pass...sack...fumbled extra point hold...sack. THEN, Donovan McNabb: great throw...TD pass...scramble for TD...McNabb slow-mo fist pumping after a TD pass.

The announcers trash TR, but hyped McNabb to the skies.

Ask yourself, WHY? Why did they cherry pick 4 of Romos worst plays and 4 of McNabbs best? Can you explain this?

Point is, there is so much bias against Romo even knowledgeable fans cant discern the truth behind the media driven perception of "the failure" Romo. Thats why I love to see the stats in black and white, to form my own evaluation without some loser TV commentator slanting everything.

As for Dan Fouts, its just like Cutler and Ryan and Favre. You can play the "what if game" all you want but all anyone can do is judge against the peers at the time. What about Sammy Baugh? What about Y.A. Tittle?

Like it or not, Romo WILL be in the HOF. His accomplishments (career QB rating) easily justify it. As for as you "being through with the discussion", thats your prerogative, its more than fine with me!
 
Originally Posted By: gfh77665
The reason Romo is hated so much is because Romo has been crucified by the media through the years. I remember a game years ago where it was Dal vs. PHI. In the previews they showed maybe 4 clips of Romo, then 4 of McNabb.

First Romo: badly incomplete pass...sack...fumbled extra point hold...sack. THEN, Donovan McNabb: great throw...TD pass...scramble for TD...McNabb slow-mo fist pumping after a TD pass.

The announcers trash TR, but hyped McNabb to the skies.

Ask yourself, WHY? Why did they cherry pick 4 of Romos worst plays and 4 of McNabbs best? Can you explain this?

Point is, there is so much bias against Romo even knowledgeable fans cant discern the truth behind the media driven perception of "the failure" Romo. Thats why I love to see the stats in black and white, to form my own evaluation without some loser TV commentator slanting everything.

Like it or not, Romo WILL be in the HOF. His accomplishments easily justify it. As for as you "being through with the discussion", thats your prerogative, its more than fine with me!


I don't base my view on any player by listening to announcers. That is like letting a car magazine tell you what car to like/buy. I form my opinions based on what I see myself. Wow, because I disagree with you I am not smart enough to do so with intelligent well reasoned arguments but rather I am being swayed by announcners who are bias? Really, is that what you think of anyone who thinks Romo is not HOF worthy? How is former Dallas QB and HOF'er Troy Aikman bias against Romo btw? He does most of the Dallas games and is anything but biased.

Romo doesn't pass the eye test for me. Just seen him choke it away too many times. Actually, he tried to in the Detroit game but the ref's saved him. You don't scramble backwards when the o-line protection breaks down. You head forward if you are going to run or you throw the ball away. You DO NOT take a sack in that situation. He is lucky he didn't fumble it away as well. Just a horrible play and it is the typical type of screw up he makes, at a crucial point of the game, that usually costs the team the game.

He got lucky this week. The zebra's pulled his chestnuts out of the fire. In his defense he made the most of his extra chance. You can't count on help from the ref's though every game. While all QB's, even the great ones, will have bad games they usually make the right call and play their best in the big moments. I just can't say that about Romo. He usually makes a game losing bad play in the big moments.

If you want to look at the black and white facts then just look at his record in the big games. It is abysmal. As I said, there is more to a HOF career than just stats. QB's can wrack up regular season stats in the modern NFL with ease. It means very little other than they played well during the regular season. BTW his playoff career stats...

2-3 won-loss / 59.6% Completion / 87.0 QBR

I disagree he WILL be in the HOF. He might be in the HOF if he can turn his big game and playoff performances around. If he retired today he would not get in. He needs a good 2-3 more years and some playoff wins and good performances to even sniff at the HOF(IMO).

I also disagree( especially with this assertion of yours )that his "accomplishments" justify it. Please tell me of these HOF worthy accomplishments by Romo? What do you have other than his career QBR?

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Ask yourself, WHY? Why did they cherry pick 4 of Romos worst plays and 4 of McNabbs best? Can you explain this?


Because, Romo had been playing like [censored] and McNabb was on fire. All they did was take plays that represented how badly on player had been playing and how good the other had been. Seems simple to me.
 
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Originally Posted By: NHHEMI


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Ask yourself, WHY? Why did they cherry pick 4 of Romos worst plays and 4 of McNabbs best? Can you explain this?


Because, Romo had been playing like [censored] and McNabb was on fire. All they did was take plays that represented how badly on player had been playing and how good the other had been. Seems simple to me.


When someone gets to the point where they say "Romo had been playing like [censored] and McNabb was on fire" to excuse blatant media bias, you lost every last shred of credibility.
 
The non call didNOT put yhe winning points on the board
Romo did but since this wasn't a big game I guess that doesn't matter
I bet that if Dallas had lost you would say this is another BIG game that Romo lost
Some people will never see the facts
 
Originally Posted By: Dallas69
It is a team win or loss not just the qb
If you dont like Romo thats fine but you cant ignore the fact that he is a very good player and his team follows him
Every qb makes mistakes-even all of the hof ones
Go Cowboys!!!


There's no denying Romo has had his best year of his career...I think the Lions loss was more attributed to the fact that their offense only scored 6 points over the last 3 qtrs, but I do believe the reversed penalty contributed to their loss...
 
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: Mystic
That interference call where they picked up the flag was bogus. Even the announcers calling the game thought it was an interference call. A flag was thrown and they picked up the flag!


Bogus is an understatement. It bordered on clear bias and favoritism. Not only that but they picked it up AFTER the head official already announced the penalty and awarded Detroit a 1st down. Then to further make it fishy and questionable they made no announcement of why it was picked up. Are you serious???

There is no question it was PI. The Dallas player never turned his head and he made contact long before the ball was there. The ball was also a catchable one so even that can't be used to defend picking the flag up. One of the most basic, clear, and easy to see( even at full game speed for the ref's )cases of PI you could ask for. It completely and totally changed the game.

I am no fan of Detroit. Too many dirty players on D and in their o-line. However, they played their [censored] off and had the game stolen from them. The ref's in that game should be suspended from any future playoff games and fined. Just a joke what they did there at the end. Detroit should be furious.


This. Prior to the PI there was holding and after the PI Mom beater ran on the field without an helmet to argue the call. Another 15 yard penalty.

Face it Dallas fan's you were gifted a playoff win. Acknowledge it and move on that your team had a lot more than home field advantage and help from the shield to secure a win for your team.
 
Originally Posted By: Dallas69
The non call didNOT put yhe winning points on the board
Romo did but since this wasn't a big game I guess that doesn't matter
I bet that if Dallas had lost you would say this is another BIG game that Romo lost
Some people will never see the facts


Some people are so blinded by their bias they can not acknowledge the facts.
 
Originally Posted By: gfh77665
Originally Posted By: whip

Are you really comparing Romo to Marino?



http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

You are right its a bad comparison. HOF Marino is just #18 ranked, Romo is way ahead at #2. Romo is ahead of the likes of Manning, Young, Brady, Montana!

There is PERCEPTION then there is facts!


This is just beyond ludicrous. Romo better than Manning, Brady, Young, and Montana. What is next Aikman is better then Unitas? Danny White is better player then Jim Thorpe?
 
Stats dont tell the whole story on anything but yhey give a good picture of things
The game now is not what I grew up playing
The defense has their hands tied for the most part so the offense can score-unless your the Lions
Enjoy the playoffs guys
Go Cowboys!!!
 
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