NFL Lockout

[Turk]

Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
The owner's are not saints by any stretch so don't infer I am saying so please. With that said though I have to say I am sick to death of spoiled millionaire atheletes and their player unions who constantly whine and cry about money and try and turn the owner's into the devil. It is ridiculous to say the least.

The players have absolutely NO right to see the owner's books. That is just foolish. Employees have no rights of access to ownership's books period and end of story. These guys make a TON of money so to whine about their family and feeding their kids just turns my stomach. Even with a short 3-4 year average NFL career, and a what $500K minimum salary for the worst players, these guys should be set for life if they manage their money properly.

I have just had it with these pro atheletes and their unions constantly crying about the money. Most of them make more in a year than a lot of people will make in a decade. Some of these guys make more in one year than the average person will make in their lifetime.

The owners have the stadiums to build and/or deal with upkeep, staff to pay, taxes to pay, HUGE player salaries to pay, and on and on. They are the ones who make it possible for these spoiled children to have their jobs. The owners deserve the profits they make just as any other business owner does. The players do not have any financial stake/risk in the team and are nothing more than employees. These spoiled, arrogant, out of touch professional atheletes need to shut up and just play. Be happy with your $10 million a year. Will $11 or $12 million a year really matter?

They make me want to

Oh MAN...... Well said!!!

 

[Johnny]

Well said.

 

[Al]

Originally Posted By: NHHEMI


The players have absolutely NO right to see the owner's books. That is just foolish. Employees have no rights of access to ownership's books period and end of story.

Exactlty
Lets see the Union's Books then.

 

[shrooms]

If there's a strike, women 'sportscasters' won't have to worry about those pesky Jets harassing them.

 

[rshunter]

No, say it isn't so! What'll I do without the NFL?

Oh, wait, I'll be doing just what I do now. Nevermind...


P.S.: It will give the players the opportunity to add to their tattoo collections, though.

 

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted By: refaller
I would be more prone to agreeing with you if $300 million of state tax dollars did not build the stadium for billionaire Jeff Lurie. The owners make money because others sacrifice their bodies (avg. NFLer only plays 3-5 years and have huge health problems afterward). Let's face it, both parties are trying to figure out how to squeeze a couple more million in a situation where it would not seem to hurt either party too much.

ref


+1. The owners go off claiming to move if the states.cities dont pay MASSIVE investment to build stadiums, etc. Everyone bends for fear of jobs, jobs, jobs... But what jobs, really? A bunch of minimum wage ushers and hotdog vendors? They can keep those jobs.

The localities bear all the cost and gain next to nothing from it. Time for the cities and states to stand up to all this too...

 

[Al]

Originally Posted By: JHZR2
But what jobs, really? A bunch of minimum wage ushers and hotdog vendors? They can keep those jobs.

The localities bear all the cost and gain next to nothing from it. Time for the cities and states to stand up to all this too...

I agree. Football is an entertainment..it doesn't create wealth. Dollar's will be spent somewhere else. The wealth may get spread out a litter more.

They might be killing the golden goose....for now.

 

[SevenBizzos]

I enjoy watching extremely athletically gifted millionaires work.

I don't enjoy watching millionaires fight over billions of dollars.

Lockout? Really? Whatever. There will be football this fall. Everyone knows it.

 

[Mamala Bay]

Either way you look at it the lock out WILL have an impact economically in sectors in the US economy not good in this present environment!

With higher tech communications the US is a mass media oriented society..we love to be entertained in a spoiled way. Time has changed from the olden days when the NFL was played on the field.

About the only thing I truly enjoy watching in sports is World Little League Baseball...they play for the love of the game!

 

[GROUCHO MARX]

NFL lockout should have a net positive effect on economy. People who spend money on overpriced tickets, beverages, parking, jerseys, gambling, etc. now can buy more useful items such as food, clothing. motor oil.

The millionaires on both sides of this issue won't do so well. So private jet companies and strip clubs may take a hit.

 

[sciphi]

Eh, whatever.

If somebody learns something from it, the cities/counties/states should learn to not put up hundreds of millions of our dollars to placate fat-cat players or owners. They make enough, let them build the darned things.

 

[GROUCHO MARX]

Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI


The players have absolutely NO right to see the owner's books. That is just foolish. Employees have no rights of access to ownership's books period and end of story.

Exactlty
Lets see the Union's Books then.


Well, the NFL does have a monopoly and is in violation of U.S. antitrust laws and this was asserted in court by the USFL's lawsuit in the '80s.

The players have a right to play for the highest bidder otherwise, which they cannot do at this moment. This is still America, no?

 

[Mamala Bay]

Originally Posted By: GROUCHO MARX
Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI


The players have absolutely NO right to see the owner's books. That is just foolish. Employees have no rights of access to ownership's books period and end of story.

Exactlty
Lets see the Union's Books then.


Well, the NFL does have a monopoly and is in violation of U.S. antitrust laws and this was asserted in court by the USFL's lawsuit in the '80s.

The players have a right to play for the highest bidder otherwise, which they cannot do at this moment. This is still America, no?


The NFL has gotten out of control internally. The game physically is far more dangerous today than years ago...I don't blame the players. The owners know it(with their 18 game per season)....can you see the picture.

 

[PeteTheFarmer]

Originally Posted By: Al
As soon as the Union was disbanded the "Lockout" is not possible, bc of anti-trust laws. The players put out the "Lockout" thing to garner sympathy from JoeSixpack Sports Fan.


Decertification does not prevent a lockout. The owners had the right under federal labor law to lockout when the CBA expired, which they exercised. The league itself acknowledge it's a lockout. Decertification was done to allow individual players to sue without the labor union exemption to anti-trust laws being an issue.

 

[Mystic]

I almost don't mind if there is a lockout and no NFL this year. After all, the Denver Broncos are not going anywhere anyway. And I get tired of the billionaire owners and the millionaire players.

Now, don't get me wrong. I have been addicted to watching the NFL for a long time. But maybe it would be good to get over that addiction.

Watching all of the terrible destruction in Japan (which will maybe get much worse depending on what happens with those nuclear reactors), the NFL seems pretty unimportant anyway.

And I can watch college football and women's softball. I kind of like women's college softball more and more.

I have been telling myself for a long time now that a quiet walk in a forest in the mountains would be better than watching NFL games anyway. As I get older and I know the trail will end somewhere someday, I feel even more like that quiet walk in the forest rather than watching football games on TV.

 

[Al]

Originally Posted By: PeteTheFarmer

Decertification does not prevent a lockout. The owners had the right under federal labor law to lockout when the CBA expired, which they exercised. The league itself acknowledge it's a lockout. Decertification was done to allow individual players to sue without the labor union exemption to anti-trust laws being an issue.

The part in bold is true. But it is also true that a lockout without a union violates the anti-trust laws...at least that what the Lawyer types have said on ESPN and Fox.

 

[NHHEMI]

Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: refaller
I would be more prone to agreeing with you if $300 million of state tax dollars did not build the stadium for billionaire Jeff Lurie. The owners make money because others sacrifice their bodies (avg. NFLer only plays 3-5 years and have huge health problems afterward). Let's face it, both parties are trying to figure out how to squeeze a couple more million in a situation where it would not seem to hurt either party too much.

ref


+1. The owners go off claiming to move if the states.cities dont pay MASSIVE investment to build stadiums, etc. Everyone bends for fear of jobs, jobs, jobs... But what jobs, really? A bunch of minimum wage ushers and hotdog vendors? They can keep those jobs.

The localities bear all the cost and gain next to nothing from it. Time for the cities and states to stand up to all this too...


There are benefits to the states for helping build stadiums. Just taxes alone from the teams and payroll is a HUGE chunk of change. I absolutely agree that some stadium deals are not the best for the state but it isn't all of them. In NE Robert Kraft put up a ton of his money to build the new stadium for the Patriots. The state basically was into it for infrastructure which they are for any business. MA makes money off the Patriots.

 

[PeteTheFarmer]

Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: PeteTheFarmer

Decertification does not prevent a lockout. The owners had the right under federal labor law to lockout when the CBA expired, which they exercised. The league itself acknowledge it's a lockout. Decertification was done to allow individual players to sue without the labor union exemption to anti-trust laws being an issue.

But it is also true that a lockout without a union violates the anti-trust laws...at least that what the Lawyer types have said on ESPN and Fox.


The NFL has acknowledged the lockout. I don't know why they would admit to it if it violates anti trust laws.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6205936

"A lockout is a right management has to shut down a business when a CBA expires"

 

[NHHEMI]

I don't see how the owner's can be hit with anti trust violations. It is not illegal to lock out union players. The players themselves have decertified just to make that the case so if it is a violation it is only so because of their own actions. I would hope a judge with common sense would throw it out but this judge seems to be pro union and may not. Ridiculous that the players can do this.

It would be great if the owner's stuck it out and broke the union or simply said you guys decertified so we no longer must deal with the NFLPA. Refuse to deal with the union period claiming it no longer exists and that the CBA is now totallly defunct as the union it was negotiated with disbanded which makes it null and void. They should not be allowed to disband the union and then say oh just kidding as soon as they manipulate the courts into siding with them. The owners should not be held hostage that way, it is wrong!

Give some precident for the next time the MLB union gets uppity and maybe that out of control union can be broken too. I hate these pro sport unions. Would love to see every one of the spoiled, out of touch, little boys lose their jobs permanently. Even my favorite players. Screw them all!

 

[GROUCHO MARX]

Major League baseball has been granted an anti-trust exemption by an act of Congress.