May you rest in peace Terri Schiavo.
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Tragic decisions regarding when enough is enough, as were made necessary by this case, are made hundreds of times a day in this country by families in consultation with their doctors, their spiritual counselors, their inner moral compasses, and guidance from above.
Many years ago, my father suffered a massive stroke that left him with no brain activity. My mother could not think about what to do. I knew that my father would never recover an even minimal quality of life, and I knew that he would not want to "live" that way. I discussed it with his doctor 24 hours after the stroke, in the evening. By the morning, my father was dead. It was a personal relief that he went with his dignity, as that is what he wanted.
Did the Doctor "pull the plug"? I don't know, and I don't want to know. But whatever happened, there was no political/media circus about it.
What was unusual about the Schiavo case is the extreme difference in view within the family as to what should be done, and the inability of the family to reach a compromise resolution.
Shame on Congress, the media, activists of all kinds, and everyone else who had no business in this case for getting unnecessarily involved, and turning a family's tragic inability to arrive at a private decision into a public political/media circus. The poor woman deserved better.
Many years ago, my father suffered a massive stroke that left him with no brain activity. My mother could not think about what to do. I knew that my father would never recover an even minimal quality of life, and I knew that he would not want to "live" that way. I discussed it with his doctor 24 hours after the stroke, in the evening. By the morning, my father was dead. It was a personal relief that he went with his dignity, as that is what he wanted.
Did the Doctor "pull the plug"? I don't know, and I don't want to know. But whatever happened, there was no political/media circus about it.
What was unusual about the Schiavo case is the extreme difference in view within the family as to what should be done, and the inability of the family to reach a compromise resolution.
Shame on Congress, the media, activists of all kinds, and everyone else who had no business in this case for getting unnecessarily involved, and turning a family's tragic inability to arrive at a private decision into a public political/media circus. The poor woman deserved better.
I agree. Like Orielly said, there simply is no winners in this case. As much as I didn't want to see Terry pass away, I think the courts did the right thing by not allowing Congress to butt in on state court matters. The whole thing has been emotionalized and radicalized by both sides of the spectrum and it's tragic to watch from the outside. The protestors getting arrested trying to bring Terry water: come on! That's ridiculous!
Just wait and see how the judiciary is going to get lambasted.
The congresses behaviour is EXACTLY why there is a seperation of power with the 3 branches of government.
Checks and balances.
Funny how the divisions in our country can never heal, isn't it, almost like its being orchestrated to keep us divided, and not paying attention.
What was the other BIG news today other than Terri and the Pope?
The congresses behaviour is EXACTLY why there is a seperation of power with the 3 branches of government.
Checks and balances.
Funny how the divisions in our country can never heal, isn't it, almost like its being orchestrated to keep us divided, and not paying attention.
What was the other BIG news today other than Terri and the Pope?
Now that she has passed, the family feud has moved on to where she should be buried and whether or not she should be cremated.
This is one very disfunctional family.
This is one very disfunctional family.
Well, actually, issues of life and death are pretty important to me. I don't think this was just a media circus. The subject matter of the Shiavo girl hits many important issues that have yet to be fully figured out by our society. The right to die, rights of the incapacitated, spouse rights, parental rights, the role of law, living wills, and so forth. This is going to stimulate much needed thought and discussion in this country about a subject often ignored.
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Yes, Andrews ...but all of it is none of our business. If you believe one way or the other ..behave one way or the other. Don't dwell upon the sin ..or lack there of ..in others. This type of contemplation made this a "circus". Everyone expressing their pointless point of view and attempting to impose their will upon others. This is a personal thing ...or at least it should have been ..between those responsible ..and their creator. They are the ones that are ultimately responsible for all they do ..just like you and I am. Let them make their choices for better or worse.
There are many such topics that we sorta need to avoid here ...but I'm of the belief that if you don't have a dog in the fight ..let it be.
I don't like the seal slaughter ..but am I going to give those who participate an alternative income? No. And if I don't ...I don't have the right to attempt to stop them.
It's the same with anything else. If I can't offer a more favorable outcome AT MY EXPENSE ..then my mouth is shut ...well my ire is controlled anyway.
May her soul rest in peace.
One must also consider that there has been many exaggerations, mis representations and blatant mangleing of facts surrounding the reality of this circumstance.
You can turn on any infotainment disguised as news show and hear more than half of what is being touted as the truth as total disinformation, either by assumption or design.
Gary said it... its not anyones business except the for the people directly involved.
If matters of life and death are important to you, respectfully, that is your business.
I believe that everyone has a right to their own relationship to life and death.
It crosses the line when those who differ try to force their beliefs upon others.
Its none of their business.
Terri didn't deserve the freak show surrounding her wishes being carried out.
Thank God she wasn't aware of it.
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You can turn on any infotainment disguised as news show and hear more than half of what is being touted as the truth as total disinformation, either by assumption or design.
Gary said it... its not anyones business except the for the people directly involved.
If matters of life and death are important to you, respectfully, that is your business.
I believe that everyone has a right to their own relationship to life and death.
It crosses the line when those who differ try to force their beliefs upon others.
Its none of their business.
Terri didn't deserve the freak show surrounding her wishes being carried out.
Thank God she wasn't aware of it.
Countdown to thread lock.
I sincerely hope that this is what she wanted.
I also beleive that the wrongful party will find out how wrong they were at a (much) later date.
I can't judge which party was in the wrong 'though.
As to the circus...the circus is alive and well these days. Otherwise people would be thinking about what's happening to them, not some face on a screen.
I also beleive that the wrongful party will find out how wrong they were at a (much) later date.
I can't judge which party was in the wrong 'though.
As to the circus...the circus is alive and well these days. Otherwise people would be thinking about what's happening to them, not some face on a screen.
"I am on nobodies side, because nobody is on my side" character Tree Beard.
JRR Tolkien, "The Two Towers"
Religious Zealouts had a field day.
The Congress acted like an impulsive mob with there swift and rather reckless initiative.
The President allowed the executive to be suckered into this state affair.
Finally the courts turned out not to be as activist as everyone thought.
So you can say the system worked. The Founding fathers system of checks and balances ended this mob mentality standoff.
Hence, I am not directly commenting on whose side I took. If there is an afterlife so be it.
Her years of suffering are atoned. There was endgame to the patients suffering.
I could care less about the congressional ,state, federal and media antics that created yet another real time circus.
Endgame.
JRR Tolkien, "The Two Towers"
Religious Zealouts had a field day.
The Congress acted like an impulsive mob with there swift and rather reckless initiative.
The President allowed the executive to be suckered into this state affair.
Finally the courts turned out not to be as activist as everyone thought.
So you can say the system worked. The Founding fathers system of checks and balances ended this mob mentality standoff.
Hence, I am not directly commenting on whose side I took. If there is an afterlife so be it.
Her years of suffering are atoned. There was endgame to the patients suffering.
I could care less about the congressional ,state, federal and media antics that created yet another real time circus.
Endgame.
Yet one more of those rare times I agree with everything you said
Hundreds of feeding tubes are pulled every day in this country-without: Congress, President, Governor, Federal/State Courts, media, Liberal vs Conservative Bashing. Lets hope it can stay in the hands of those personally involved (Family/Patient)
I must say that there has to be more to the story that we don't know. There has to be a history of bad blood between the Shindlers and Mike Shievo. Mike seems to be a royal piece of **** . He wouldn't even let Terry's parents be by her bedside as she passed. What a lack of humility. That's an outright evil act IMO.
This is the whole reason it was needed for the courts to get involved. It wasn't a cut-and-dried case at all. The parents used every avenue that they could to get help, including the government (wouldn't most parents, thank God). The Shiavo guy is a piece of heartless humanity. Self centered to say the least. What a shame that the parents, the ones who raised and protected their little girl, had to be so betrayed by our system when all they wanted to do was take care of her in her time of need. Mr. Shiavo totally gave up his marriage covenant when he mock-married his current "wife" and started a whole new life. What a jerk. I don't care what anybody else really has to say about this issue, but due to the circumstances I side 100% with the parents and siblings. Euro-america, here we come!
I don't think anyone here has taken any of the courts to task for addressing a matter properly brought before it.
Talk about getting in other peoples business.
andrews... get your facts straight before you post your agenda driven assumptions again, I don't mean the faux facts that the talking heads blurt out, but the reality facts.
Do you know for a fact that he and Terri didn't agree to move on with their lives if one was incapacitated or dead?
Do you know for a fact that the Schindlers didn't encourage Michael to get involved with another woman, accepting her into their lives and family?
Good thing that the courts don't work on your standards, because they, at the very least, have all the information presented before them before they render a decision, a decision without assumptions.
You might take a few days and read the court transcripts for the full picture of what is, and what isn't.
Aren't you Religious folks supposed to be about spreading love?
So what happened?
[ April 02, 2005, 05:40 PM: Message edited by: loudist ]
andrews... get your facts straight before you post your agenda driven assumptions again, I don't mean the faux facts that the talking heads blurt out, but the reality facts.
Do you know for a fact that he and Terri didn't agree to move on with their lives if one was incapacitated or dead?
Do you know for a fact that the Schindlers didn't encourage Michael to get involved with another woman, accepting her into their lives and family?
Good thing that the courts don't work on your standards, because they, at the very least, have all the information presented before them before they render a decision, a decision without assumptions.
You might take a few days and read the court transcripts for the full picture of what is, and what isn't.
Aren't you Religious folks supposed to be about spreading love?
So what happened?
[ April 02, 2005, 05:40 PM: Message edited by: loudist ]
As I recall, a wise judge named Solomon was faced with a similar dilemna. Two different woman laid claimed to the same infant. When neither would recant their claim, he proposed cutting the infant in half. I think we know the rest of the story and who was deemed to have the true love of the child and not just the want of a possesion.
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