Next Buick built in China

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Originally Posted By: rshaw125
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
Since they sell more cars in China that the US, shouldn't they be allowed to build cars there? They sell cars in world markets and built cars in different markets. They export USA made cars to China, so should that be a one way street?


No. They were bailed out by the US taxpayer. We are stilled owned money from that fiasco.


Well if you want GM to pay the money back, you have to let them run their business in the most competitive way possible. You cannot expect them to work at a disadvantage....bailout or not.
 
Its too late for that. The governments involved sold their GM shares at a loss. Maybe that was a poor decision, but if the company fails, better to have some pie than no pie at all...
 
Buick only still exist in us because it has sold extremely well in China. This slow selling brand would have been long kicked to the curb but China market saved it.
 
I never said the transmission was made in Mexico, I said the car was assembled there and build quality seemed good. Maybe I wasn't clear enough about the trans being what spoiled the ownership experience for me. Before the HHR I had a C4 Vette (1995). The auto trans in it had to be cracked open several times for various [censored], but at least there was a good extended warranty on the car that covered all the repairs necessary to the trans in that car. Anyhow, I've swore off Government Motors permanently. With the exception of Corvette, most of their lineup is vanilla boring in the looks department. And in trucks, F150 and Ram have it all over Silverado in style and strength.

Originally Posted By: stower17
The 4T45e transmission is not built in mexico. The fact that your HHR was built in Mexico had nothing to do with your transmission problem. BTW the 4T45e is a durable transmission minus the occassional valve body or solenoid issue.

And the post about a 2012 Honda Accord with rust issues. If you would read that thread it is an isolated incident. There is likely a history about the car which caused the rusting and the owner is taking it to the dealer because it was a newly acquired veh to him and is looking for manufacturer assistance. Please read the thread again before coming to conclusions.

In my experience cars are built better now than they were decades and decades ago. Cars from the past would wear out. Suspensions parts, engines, transmissions, interiors, window cranks, door hinges, anything mechanical. Todays cars are much different. They dont wear out like their predecessors, you are much more likely to experience something to break, not wear out in a newer built car. Im around old cars all the time. Sure, everything still works on the cars but everything is worn out. The steering, the door lock plungers, the turn signal level, gear shifter, windshield wiper linkages all wear out on old cars and are usually never replaced. Thats why an old car from decades ago feels worn out and the term "clunker" comes. But many people say that they were built better back then because they havent "broke" yet... Those parts on newer cars are more likely to break which requires immediate attention, and in general the car doesnt feel worn out. Engineering has come a long way.

The 2006-2013 Impala has a design problem that GM needs to take care of. I am upset about Buick importing cars from China but hopefully its not a trend.
 
Buick still exists because of China.

I think its wonderful that they enjoy buying our products.
 
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Originally Posted By: NHGUY

You mean rust or poorly welded/assembled?
Honda's no better.In another post here,someone has a 2012 Honda in Florida with rocker panel rust.Frankly,they are all made poorly today,and yet $30,000 seems about the normal asking price.Idiotic!


Indeed you are correct, the manufacturers have used cadcam to
engineer parts to fail at very specific times all by design, and long term durability isn't something they want, period.
Planned Obsolescence is designed in.

Most cars today have a fragile tactile feel to them.
 
If people buy this car in significant quantities, there's a chance it could be made in the US. It's sharing a platform with the new Cruze and new Equinox/Terrain. There's no reason why it couldn't be made here on another line in the Equinox/Terrain plant.

Then again, Buick is sort of the new pipeline for foreign-made niche vehicles to be sold in the US. The Encore is made in Korea, the Envision will be made in China, and the Regal will likely go back to being made in Germany. So it'll be a very international brand.
 
This Buick compact crossover has already been sold in China for a while and also got the Motor Trend 2015 crossover suv of the year over there. The primary market for that vehicle is Asia. Makes sense to continue building them there and bring some of them over to the U.S. market. From many of the posts here is seems like folks are thinking this is a U.S. vehicle that is going to be made in China. Nope, it is a GM China vehicle that is also going to be marketed here. It has been on the Chinese market since August of 2014.

http://www.autonews.com/article/20151204...-autonews-blast
 
Originally Posted By: sciphi
If people buy this car in significant quantities, there's a chance it could be made in the US. It's sharing a platform with the new Cruze and new Equinox/Terrain. There's no reason why it couldn't be made here on another line in the Equinox/Terrain plant.

Then again, Buick is sort of the new pipeline for foreign-made niche vehicles to be sold in the US. The Encore is made in Korea, the Envision will be made in China, and the Regal will likely go back to being made in Germany. So it'll be a very international brand.




Ah, something that makes sense here.... Thank you.
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Yes, the Envision is going to start in it's home market. which is china. GM is already looking for a plant to building it here after a year or two (maybe sooner), possibly going to Lansing, MI at the moment.

This car is kinda a rare bird as it did so well there that GM decided to bring it here as soon as they could, which meant it had to come from china. Giving GM kudos for jumping on this....

Sadly, the Regal is not coming back after the next redo the the Opel, part of the reason the Envision is coming here now to replace it in Buick's lineup.....
 
Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
In the future, Buick cars = designed by Opel in Germany, made in China or South Korea.


No.
 
Given the volume they're expecting initially, it makes sense to ship over complete vehicles. Like I said, I hope it does well so they move it here in the first place. GM's done the same thing with vehicles, engines and transmissions for initial model years. Except now the launch model is from China and BITOG is losing its collective mind.

CUV's are the hot vehicle and only getting hotter for the foreseeable future. GM would be remiss to its shareholders if it didn't fill the gaping hole in Buick's lineup. Let's hope some of the original stakeholders in traditional US GM assembly plant areas get some love by getting a new Buick CUV in a few years time.
 
There is a free trade deal with Mexico, and they are neighbors, after all. China conducts a significantly greater amount of industrial espionage than does Mexico. General Motors should be cautious about China producing the next Buick, lest they start producing the next, unlicensed Buick.
 
Originally Posted By: CKN
My Silverado along with a myriad of other vehicles are built in Mexico.

IS THAT OK?

Or, are we just against China?




Ill stick with something made in a similar economy to the US. Japan, South Korea, Germany etc.

For example, I like Ford, but have no interest in buying a Fusion since they are made in Mexico.
 
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