New Truck Oil Choice (17' Tacoma)

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I've banished my Frontier to the realms of the used car market and have switched to Toyota. I picked up a 17' Tacoma SR5 4x4 (V6) and I noticed that the manual calls for 0w20 synthetic (ILSAC GF-5) on 10k intervals. I have no qualms about 10k OCI but the 20 grade is new for me. I have serious concerns about a 20 grade shearing at that length of an OCI.
That being said, I'm looking for an oil that has the highest HSTS viscosity in 0w20 and a low NOACK volatility. (Emphasis on the shear resistance)
BIOGians, do your thing and help a brother out.

 

[Ursatdx]

TGMO is a great oil. (Mobil Super Syn 0w20).
Still waiting to do 1st OFL on my 16 4Runner.

 

[mcrn]

You will be hard to beat Toyotas own 0W-20 or Mobil 1 0w-20...but the highest would probably be Redlines 0W-20 but might be a warranty issue?

 

[mcrn]

On a side note.....what do you think of the difference between the toyota and nissan?

 

[tig1]

Do the engines designers at Toyota have concern using 0-20 in their engines for 10K?

 

[Starman2112]

Originally Posted By: tig1
Do the engines designers at Toyota have concern using 0-20 in their engines for 10K?


Yeah really.

Hey I know, since I don't trust the engineers who designed and built the truck I'll ask a bunch of strangers on the internet. LOL

 

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Frontier Pros: the VQ engine is BULLETPROOF, very roomy interior, strong 4wd,
Frontier Cons: with 60hwy/40city driving MPG of 13.8, it had NO POWER during cold NH starts it took about 10 miles of driving to build oil pressure to the point that it sounded like a normal engine though it NEVER didn't start and once it was warmed up it was smooth as silk, it had the turning radius of a freight train, couldn't hold an alignment, the factory brakes lasted 27k miles before I started to get a bad vibration, took a look and the brakes were worn so unevenly and with so much surface transfer that I had to replace all 4 rotors and all the pads.
Will be putting up a review of the Tacoma once I reach my first OCI on the factory fill which I am going to take to 7500mi

 

[CT8]

Any of the major brands with the proper rating will serve you well. Toyotas are nice!

 

[tig1]

Originally Posted By: Starman2112
Originally Posted By: tig1
Do the engines designers at Toyota have concern using 0-20 in their engines for 10K?


Yeah really.

Hey I know, since I don't trust the engineers who designed and built the truck I'll ask a bunch of strangers on the internet. LOL


For the most part GM and Ford calls for 0-20 in their V8 truck engines.

 

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted By: NissanHauler
I have serious concerns about a 20 grade shearing at that length of an OCI.
That being said, I'm looking for an oil that has the highest HSTS viscosity in 0w20 and a low NOACK volatility. (Emphasis on the shear resistance)
BIOGians, do your thing and help a brother out.


What objective evidence do you have that in NH a 20 grade oil is going to get excessively beat up (shear or otherwise) to justify going heavier?

Im all for low NOACK, but how low is low? What are you looking for? Is this doing a lot of hauling? Trailering?

 

[AirgunSavant]

Many here would say that the makers do not want you to get max longevity and thus these statements open up a can of worms. Unless the designing engineer drove the product for several years they have not much better knowledge on how it will hold up than the heavy user. Didn't the Toyota engineers have tons of issues with sludge amongst other things as well as trusting the Chinese with seat heaters. As well as every other maker has. Engineers are not the end all when it comes to real world use. Plus they often can't even imagine how consumers can abuse things.


Originally Posted By: Starman2112
Originally Posted By: tig1
Do the engines designers at Toyota have concern using 0-20 in their engines for 10K?


Yeah really.

Hey I know, since I don't trust the engineers who designed and built the truck I'll ask a bunch of strangers on the internet. LOL

 

[ARB1977]

Toyota 0W20 is awesome. The new 3.5L makes power is the upper rpm range. I bought a 15 with 4.0L and so far so good. MPG is better that my old 3.4L.

 

[Red91]

You're not going to keep any longer than the Nissan are you? If not, don't worry about it and use up your free oil changes with whatever the dealer uses.

I haven't been able to accept 0W-20. Its unnecessarily thin and an oil for fuel economy. The newer, even thinner grades are even more unnecessary. Toyotas made good fuel economy and hundreds of thousands of miles on 5W-30 for decades, and that would be my starting point if I were to keep the truck. I know I'll get bashed for this but so be it. Working on cars for a living, you learn quickly that engineers don't design cars, accountants do.

The people who "designed" it aren't concerned about longevity, they're concerned about built in obsolescence and CAFE points. Nothing wrong with that I guess, but the people who get screwed are the consumers and the mechanics who have to work on them after the warranty expires.

 

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Regularly towing a 500gal water tank for a Volunteer Fire dept plus a trailer for work

 

[dave123]

Owner of a 06 Tacoma love the 4.0L they can be brutal on oil 0w20 I don't know and have heard some with durability issues with 0w20 spec engines. All said I really look at Red Line if running a 0w20.

 

[Ramblejam]

Originally Posted By: NissanHauler
That being said, I'm looking for an oil that has the highest HSTS viscosity in 0w20 and a low NOACK volatility. (Emphasis on the shear resistance)

Disagree with that simplistic assessment of your needs; additionally, there are other factors to consider...

2. http://www.centerforqa.com/dexos-brand2015/

3. https://www.walmart.com/ip/Pennzoil-Gold-0w20-Sb-Dexos-5-Quart/150683491

That's $17.47 for 5 quarts of an excellent oil that meets the latest/toughest industry specification relevant the needs of modern architecture.

4. Notice the compression ratio. If you're not already, run 91/93 octane.

 

[njohnson]

Originally Posted By: NissanHauler
I've banished my Frontier to the realms of the used car market and have switched to Toyota. I picked up a 17' Tacoma SR5 4x4 (V6) and I noticed that the manual calls for 0w20 synthetic (ILSAC GF-5) on 10k intervals. I have no qualms about 10k OCI but the 20 grade is new for me. I have serious concerns about a 20 grade shearing at that length of an OCI.
That being said, I'm looking for an oil that has the highest HSTS viscosity in 0w20 and a low NOACK volatility. (Emphasis on the shear resistance)
BIOGians, do your thing and help a brother out.


Does the manual say anything about using a heavier grade?

I know some of the Toyota owner's manuals from several years ago stated that a heavier grade of oil could be used for certain conditions. The recommended oil would be 5W-20, but, the manual would state something to the effect that if the vehicle was driven for high speed for extended periods of time (freeway or highway driving), towing, or hauling heavy loads, a 5W-30 would provide better protection for the engine.

Since your manual was written for the 2017 Tacoma, does it still say anything like that?

 

[FlyNavyP3]

My friend has a 2016 Tacoma with the 3.5L engine. He reports excellent results with Mag 1 0w20 oil at the full 10k OCI I'll ask him for a couple of his UOA's to share here. However from memory the TBN at 10k was 2.8. I would probably start there if you're not using TGMO based on his experience.

 

[FlyNavyP3]

The Toyota manual makes no such statements.

To the contrary it says that 0w20 should be used exclusively. In the event thag 5w20 is used it MUST be replaced with 0w20 at the next service.

No requirement or recommendation to use a different oil for towing or heavy hauling.

 

[OneEyeJack]

The Xw-20 debate won'd ever die. During the warranty period follow the manual but verify with UOA('s) if you plan to keep your vehicle beyond the warranty. Then decide.