New tires for 2016 4Runner SR5

[goingplacesanddoingstuff]

Off-topic - Unless you didn't have them on, it looks like you might benefit from some different foglights, not factory LED versions. If bulbs are replaceable on that, possibly the Morimoto 2stroke 4.0 that they show circulates warm air in housing. I think IH8MUD had some test that they showed regular Diode Dynamic Sport SS3 did not get warm enough in testing in CO. The SS3 pro did not either. SS3 max did.

My son has SS3 Sport and in the slush we had it melted. My Hella DE with HID conversion work well and melt snow/ice.

The Morimoto XB in daughters CRV do not. The factory LED fogs and headlights in Pilot do not.

I think in this pic I’m running some cheap Amazon amber fog lights. They are quite bad. I have some Baja Designs I was going to put in, but I’ve been debating getting rid of my truck. I should probably just put the factory halogens back in.

 

[goingplacesanddoingstuff]

I am not interested in anything with an aggressive or semi aggressive all terrain style tread. Too much noise, unpredictable limit handling and generally questionable wet traction. Not necessary given the intended use at present (my son - new driver - to go school, work, and practice) and for the foreseeable future.

Your concerns are a bit overwrought. Modern ATs are way, way better and quieter on the road than they used to be, especially on a body-on-frame vehicle that isolates itself from tire noise.

The Outpost APT (a very mild hybrid HT/AT) likely outperforms road tires from a decade ago.

Does this look aggressive to you?

I ran its predecessor, the Rotiiva, on a crossover SUV and they were excellent.

In any case the Continental CrossContact HT or TerrainContact HT is likely a good bet.

https://www.continental-tires.com/p...widthMM=265&aspectRatio=70&rimDiameterInch=17

 

[oilstudent24]

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falken wildpeak, excellent, not noisy
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sumitomo encounter at, likely my next truck tire, due to cost savings
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the snow legend, Blizzak, everyone who drives in snow and ice has heard of this tire, enough said
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old school Goodyear AT, a classic look, good overall traction without much comprise

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Mich LTX AT2


A bunch to choose from. I have many miles on LTX AT2, with heavy trucks, and they have great traction and last a long time, very smooth. You have a 4Runner, act like it.

The Michelin at tire looks good, but not sure if it’s still made. For common sizes it is only available as an LT tire for my vehicles.

 

[HighHy21]

I appreciate that clarification - didn’t know there was an actual test involved in the 3PMSF rating.

Still, we both agree that it is a proxy. I’ve seen (and driven) AT tires with a 3PMSF that do well in snow, and those with a 3PMSF the do poorly in snow. So, again, agree that the are marked differences in non-winter tires.

I don’t trust the 3PMSF as a reliable predictor of snow performance because actual snow performance varies so much in those tires with a 3PMSF.

In general, actual winter tires are significantly better in snow than AT tires. There are some all season tires, like the LTX, that are better than AT tires in snow. When I lived in Vermont, I had BFG AT KO on one truck, and Blizzaks (DM-V) on the other. Absolutely no comparison. The BFGs, lauded for their snow performance, were nowhere near as capable in snow, as the Bridgestones, and on ice, they were laughably poor by comparison.

I don’t understand the hate for the LTX. Mine were actually quite good in snow. Again, not as good as the Blizzaks, but surprisingly capable. My Tundra sees snow often. It’s my vehicle of choice for winter, not because it’s a truck, but because of the tires. The tires that I have put on the truck have all been selected with snow performance in mind.

The best winter performance I have had in non-winter tires, were the Nokian WR-G3, but they wore quickly. Latest set of tires on the truck are Nokian Outpost nAT, which promise good snow performance from a Finnish company known for snow performance. Yeah, they are AT tires, but I don’t off-road much anymore, and I was looking for decent manners on road with good snow performance.

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That's the caveat of 3PMSF, there are no levels of performance on 3PMSF.

Some regular M+S can be superior than AT 3PMSF, but the tire manufacturer can choose not label them as 3PMSF. There's a Tyre Reviews video on this that illustrate it with the Defender LTX M/S mentioned earlier.


Over the past few years, there's the new Ice traction certification that was added,

And the Outpost nAT performs equivalent to the WR G4 SUV, which is technically high marks for winter conditions, as Tyre Reviews compared the nAT to the WR G4 to Hakka 5 and One HT

 

[burbguy82]

The Michelin at tire looks good, but not sure if it’s still made. For common sizes it is only available as an LT tire for my vehicles.

yeah. i think the picture i brought up was current, 265/75/17 c load range. definitely 4 runner territory

 

[02SE]

You've mentioned that you don't want an A/T tire, but just know there are mild to aggressive A/T tires. Here are the Yokohama G015 A/T's on our 5th gen 4Runner. They are the stock size (265/70R17) but these are the load range E, 10 ply rated tire. I went with the E-load range for the deeper, more aggressive tread, and tougher casing construction, as our 4Runner sees 4wd trails which can be hard on tires. The P-rated version is even milder, with less tread depth, and less robust casing construction.

I can say they have excellent wet traction. Much better than the BFG K02, I haven't tried the K03, and better than the Michelin Defender LTX MS a family member has on their 5th gen 4Runner. Better then the Toyo AT3 another family member has on their 5th gen 4Runner. Better than the Falken AT3W another family member has on their 5th gen 4runner. Yes, there are a bunch of 5th gen 4Runners in my extended family. As for noise, they are quieter than the other A/T's I just mentioned, and nearly as quiet as the Michelin Defender LTX MS. An all-season tire which I generally think highly of.

We had record snowfall in 2022-2023. These with the 3PMSF designation did very well. Although Bridgestone Blizzak DMV2's are better. We have serious snow removal equipment where I live, so roads are cleared quickly after a major snow event.

All that said, they have been superseded by the G018, which I haven't tried.

 

[meep]

@RBT - excellent questions and discussion. I can’t speak to kumho but from the local talk they are not in the same league as Bridgestone or Michelin.

Bridgestone used to be my go-to. I ran several sets of Dueler HLs on SUVs and a minivan and really liked then rain, shine and snow.

Tirerack reviews have the following ranking of the brands you are favoring. Imma cross-reference with discount tires data too:

Highest rated: Bridgestone dueler ascent (this is AT and has some detriments on the highway). https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tire...toYear=2016&autoModel=4Runner&autoModClar=SR5

Ok-ish wet/dry stopping distances: https://www.discounttire.com/buy-tires/bridgestone-dueler-a-t-ascent/p/166944

Continental TerrainContact HT. https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tire...toYear=2016&autoModel=4Runner&autoModClar=SR5

Excellent wet/dry stopping: https://www.discounttire.com/buy-tires/continental-terrain-contact-h-t/p/42648

Continental TerrainContact AT. (Which I can vouch are excellent on road)
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tire...toYear=2016&autoModel=4Runner&autoModClar=SR5

Incredible stopping numbers:
https://www.discounttire.com/buy-tires/continental-terrain-contact-a-t/p/32262

The next in the descending lineup is the dueler H/T. We are waaay down the list by the time we get here and the ratings aren’t in the same category at all. There are so many better offerings before getting here, such as the pinza AT which tested well for on highway use.
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tire...toYear=2016&autoModel=4Runner&autoModClar=SR5

Wet dry not shown on discounts site

Worth consideration: not found on Tirerack but it’s on DT: Bridgestone alenza AS ultra. https://www.discounttire.com/buy-tires/bridgestone-alenza-as-ultra/p/176847

Best dry stopping of the bunch, in the pack with the continentals wet. For a smooth, safe highway tire this might.

 

[barkingspider]

I just talked w my son in law, he has the crugen ht51 on his F150 for about a year, he says they are quiet on the hwy and good for the daily driving he does. He bought them based on price

 

[drtyler]

Worth consideration: not found on Tirerack but it’s on DT: Bridgestone alenza AS ultra. https://www.discounttire.com/buy-tires/bridgestone-alenza-as-ultra/p/176847

Best dry stopping of the bunch, in the pack with the continentals wet. For a smooth, safe highway tire this might.

I have these on my truck now, the Bridgestone Alenza A/S Ultra. They are good tires and much better than the Dueler H/L factory tires. So far have driven 23k miles with them.