New single stack. Walther PPS vs Springfield XDs.

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Like I stated in the subject line. I'm looking at buying a new 9mm in single stack. I carry an SR9c daily, but I want a single stack for summer carry. I don't have a problem with the Walther mag release or the XD's grip safety.

I held both today at a local gun shop. Price is identical. And they both feel great and very similar. Fit and finish seems great on both.


I know several of you own these firearms. Share your thoughts please. From reading online both seem super reliable.
 
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I've shot the XDS, shield and G26. Honestly i dont know why i'm a terrible shot with the XDS. But i love the feel of it.

I've still haven't figured out which one i should buy. But anytime you mention XDS you have to consider the Shield.
 
I have the XD in a5" 9mm. Difficult to conceal due to long barrel but otherwise a great gun. Never an issue with it unless you load wolf steal cartridge and shoot too rapidly. My buddy had one in a sub (3"?) Size and said he put 20k + rounds through his and never a jam, alway shot like it should. I have no experience with others mentioned.
 
FTS that other stuff.

S&W 908/3913.

Gansta's Paradise of a concealable single stack 9 mike-mike.
 
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Originally Posted By: Oro_O
FTS that other stuff.

S&W 908/3913.

Gansta's Paradise of a concealable single stack 9 mike-mike.


Not exactly a pistol one can walk into any LGS and try out.

There's probably a reason you left the Glock 43 off your short list. They shoot really well, it's worth putting in your hand to try at least.
 
I carry the PPS often but you have to be careful of muscle memory and the paddle release. Strapped the glock on the other day and went for the paddle release that isn't there! Same reason the guy sold it to me.
 
Originally Posted By: rsylvstr
I carry the PPS often but you have to be careful of muscle memory and the paddle release. Strapped the glock on the other day and went for the paddle release that isn't there! Same reason the guy sold it to me.


Maybe add the new Walther CCP to the list if the PPS mag release is not to your liking. Walther makes a fine handgun...and call me a bit of an elitist, but I prefer Teutonic manufacturing to Croatian when it comes to sidearms.
 
I always found an XD a nice looking pistol but it seems like a very high sight plane for me, never felt natural.

I have handled Walthers and Glocks and found those to be far more natural feeling for me, the sight plane height, grip angle, and balance.

The XDs look very nice, but the Radar Gun sight plane doesn't work for me at all. I have to conciously raise the pistol and tell my muscle control to stop raising the pistol a few inches lower than would be natural for me.
 
After checking out a co-worker's XD-S in .45ACP, I chose the PPS in .40s&w.

XDS was thicker, PPS is ultra slim and has two size backstraps included to help fit it to your hand.

Recoil with my PPS .40 feels feels about the same as with my Glock 21sf but is kind of sharper if that makes sense.

With the larger backstrap installed and the 7 rd mag that has the pinky grip, I felt like the PPS is better planted in my hand than the XD-S... it just feels very natural. My glove size is XL yet even with the 6 rd mag my pinky still is in decent contact, but admittedly I prefer the extra length of the 7 rd mag.

There has been some controversy about the removable backstrap of the PPS because of what Walther calls "QuickSafe." Which means with the backstrap removed the pistol is decocked and cannot fire. There have been two concerns, both of which I see as unfounded after examining mine. The backstrap features a prong that pokes into the grip and enables cocking. With the prong out (backstrap removed) the gun is disabled. What if the prong breaks off when you're changing out backstraps? Backstrap swap is very smooth and easy, it is goof proof in my opinion as long as you line-up the two guide marks. The prong seems stout as well. What if you drop the gun in a defensive situation and backstrap pops off, your gun is done when you need it most? Walther thought of this, and the backstrap is locked in to prevent this, but some guys get a [rubber] grip wrap and put it on as extra insurance. I've read that a cut piece of bicycle inner tube works the same for less $$, but I've concluded that both are unnecessary for me after examining the way the backstrap secures. The manual says to remove the backstrap every time you field strip for cleaning. I don't do that because I do the proper checks for a safe gun before stripping. The PPS field strips same way as a Glock and strips normally with the backstrap either on or off.

Rumor on Waltherforums is that they may be going to change the PPS over to a thumb press for mag release soon and that is why some of the closeout pricing is being seen on the current model.

I find the trigger guard mag release very intuitive, and actually like it. I am trained-in on Glocks, but when I'm shooting the PPS so far I haven't thumbed for the non-existent thumb release in a tac load drill.
 
PPS (left) and XD-S (right)


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Two PPS safety features I call "Confirmation at a glance."

1. In the above photo, there is a large red dot on the end of the striker that fills the hole at back end of slide when the gun is cocked and ready to fire. The gun in the pic is not cocked, no bright red dot showing. The striker moves to protrude out of that hole maybe 3/8" or so as the trigger is pulled to fire. For safe holstering, simply place your thumb over the hole as you holster the gun to prevent the striker from moving into firing position.

2. There is a small notch cut into the topside back edge of the chamber which shows at a glance if there is a round chambered. No need to sneak the slide back a hair to check for a round in the chamber, just glance topside of the gun.
 
Originally Posted By: LoneRanger
After checking out a co-worker's XD-S in .45ACP, I chose the PPS in .40s&w.

XDS was thicker, PPS is ultra slim and has two size backstraps included to help fit it to your hand.

Recoil with my PPS .40 feels feels about the same as with my Glock 21sf but is kind of sharper if that makes sense.

With the larger backstrap installed and the 7 rd mag that has the pinky grip, I felt like the PPS is better planted in my hand than the XD-S... it just feels very natural. My glove size is XL yet even with the 6 rd mag my pinky still is in decent contact, but admittedly I prefer the extra length of the 7 rd mag.

There has been some controversy about the removable backstrap of the PPS because of what Walther calls "QuickSafe." Which means with the backstrap removed the pistol is decocked and cannot fire. There have been two concerns, both of which I see as unfounded after examining mine. The backstrap features a prong that pokes into the grip and enables cocking. With the prong out (backstrap removed) the gun is disabled. What if the prong breaks off when you're changing out backstraps? Backstrap swap is very smooth and easy, it is goof proof in my opinion as long as you line-up the two guide marks. The prong seems stout as well. What if you drop the gun in a defensive situation and backstrap pops off, your gun is done when you need it most? Walther thought of this, and the backstrap is locked in to prevent this, but some guys get a [rubber] grip wrap and put it on as extra insurance. I've read that a cut piece of bicycle inner tube works the same for less $$, but I've concluded that both are unnecessary for me after examining the way the backstrap secures. The manual says to remove the backstrap every time you field strip for cleaning. I don't do that because I do the proper checks for a safe gun before stripping. The PPS field strips same way as a Glock and strips normally with the backstrap either on or off.

Rumor on Waltherforums is that they may be going to change the PPS over to a thumb press for mag release soon and that is why some of the closeout pricing is being seen on the current model.

I find the trigger guard mag release very intuitive, and actually like it. I am trained-in on Glocks, but when I'm shooting the PPS so far I haven't thumbed for the non-existent thumb release in a tac load drill.





Thanks! I'm leaning toward the PPS. Now I have to decide if I want it in 9mm or .40 LGS has one of each. My other carry gun is a 9mm.

I've never shot a .40 that is one of the few caliber a haven't ever shot or owned. Do you prefer your .40 PPS over the 9 PPS? Also if I may ask what would you consider a fair cash price? LGS is $549 another one 30mins away is $519 and one 45 mins away is $499. These prices are plus tax.

I don't generally barter on guns, but I may try to get the LGS to match or at least get very close. Thoughts on pricing?

-Donny
 
Illustrations of my above description. (Disclaimer: Snap cap dummy chambered w/ empty mag for photos, never unsafely handle a firearm loaded with live ammunition)

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Originally Posted By: donnyj08

I've never shot a .40 that is one of the few caliber a haven't ever shot or owned. Do you prefer your .40 PPS over the 9 PPS?

Even though cost of ammunition for me is not a financial issue. ..its hard to break old mindsets. To me the act of more shooting with the SD firearm carried trumps caliber.

Originally Posted By: LoneRanger

2. There is a small notch cut into the topside back edge of the chamber which shows at a glance if there is a round chambered. No need to sneak the slide back a hair to check for a round in the chamber, just glance topside of the gun.

That's the way Shield is.
 
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Originally Posted By: donnyj08


Thanks! I'm leaning toward the PPS. Now I have to decide if I want it in 9mm or .40 LGS has one of each. My other carry gun is a 9mm.

I've never shot a .40 that is one of the few caliber a haven't ever shot or owned. Do you prefer your .40 PPS over the 9 PPS? Also if I may ask what would you consider a fair cash price? LGS is $549 another one 30mins away is $519 and one 45 mins away is $499. These prices are plus tax.

I don't generally barter on guns, but I may try to get the LGS to match or at least get very close. Thoughts on pricing?

-Donny


Don't want to start a 9mm vs .40 debate, gets too heated between fans of either caliber. You should be able to find a new PPS online for shipment to your preferred FFL dealer for around $350-$400 right now. Supposedly Budsgunshop.com was offering them for $362 cash price recently (send in money order or do online bank draft). I bought for $389 @ end of November from CDNN Sports online. Grabagun.com has also been in similar price range.
 
I've conceal carried an XDs .45acp 3.3 inch barrel for a couple of years. I own quite a few hand guns, the XDs is my choice to carry. Fun gun to shoot also.
Once in awhile I'll carry an XD Mod2, Baby Eagle or a Kimber Ultra Carry, all in .45acp. It's the Xds 98% of the time.

I work behind a gun counter selling guns as a part time job in my retirement. Some of the guns mentioned here just feel loose and sloppy in the hand. They're not for me.
 
Originally Posted By: LoneRanger
Originally Posted By: donnyj08


Thanks! I'm leaning toward the PPS. Now I have to decide if I want it in 9mm or .40 LGS has one of each. My other carry gun is a 9mm.

I've never shot a .40 that is one of the few caliber a haven't ever shot or owned. Do you prefer your .40 PPS over the 9 PPS? Also if I may ask what would you consider a fair cash price? LGS is $549 another one 30mins away is $519 and one 45 mins away is $499. These prices are plus tax.

I don't generally barter on guns, but I may try to get the LGS to match or at least get very close. Thoughts on pricing?

-Donny


Don't want to start a 9mm vs .40 debate, gets too heated between fans of either caliber. You should be able to find a new PPS online for shipment to your preferred FFL dealer for around $350-$400 right now. Supposedly Budsgunshop.com was offering them for $362 cash price recently (send in money order or do online bank draft). I bought for $389 @ end of November from CDNN Sports online. Grabagun.com has also been in similar price range.


I understand. People do get heated over caliber choices. I'm a fan of anything that goes bang regardless of caliber. I called another shop north of me about an hour and they have a few of them in 9mm for $409+ tax, and they can get .40 in if I want one. That's cheaper than I can buy online and then pay shipping plus FFL fees. Thanks again for your assistance! I made arrangements to pick one up on Tuesday. Who knows I may order a .40 and have both.
 
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