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I have been shopping for a while now to replace the Hankook Ventus V12's that have been on my car with the new Pilot Super Sports from Michelin. My sincere thanks to Overkill for his sage advice as he also owns a sedan with big power and LOVES these tires.

Using 275/35/20 as my favorite 275/40/20 is not available in these. Since I have a Diablosport programmer I can set tire size in the computer to avoid any issues with the slight difference in size. The shorter sidewall just seems to sharpen up the steering a bit.

This car eats tires like candy. 2 tons of 180 mph sedan will do that if driven enthusiastically. So tread life has never been a real consideration but TRACTION is overwhelmingly important to me! This car has some amazing capabilities for a luxury car, easily pulling over a full G in cornering and stopping better than a Porsche.

The short story is these tires are amazing. Right out of the box they are quieter, stickier, and best of all, smoother than any tire on the car. I've had OEM Goodyears, Toyos, Hankooks, and now these... incomparable. HUGE difference in "clomp" as when you cross a break in the pavement or some built up markings at intersections. It's just amazing that a tire so HUGE can be so quiet and smooth, and 35 series tires are not normally mentioned with the words ride quality!

Braking is so much better, I had to really get deep into the brakes to get any ABS, and the hook up is so good under acceleration that it feels like I have 2 tires on each side in the rear! It's common to wag the tail a bit up to the 2-3 shift at about 80, but no more.

I can only imagine how these will improve with some miles. Hasn't been wet yet, but I have been assured that wet weather is one of their finest attributes!
 
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Good to know! The S600, a 2 ton luxury sedan with 690lbft of torque,eats tires like candy, too....and I was considering the Pilot Sports...
 
The NVH is amazingly lower, all I'm waiting for is the wet weather performance. Just remember these are not for low temps, they're summer tires.

If they wear as reputed I will be really happy.
 
Yeah, I've always had a lot of respect for Michelin tires. I run X-Ice 2's on my Camaro in the winter. But when it comes to performance tires, their prices always give me sticker shock, and I go to my old favorite Nitto's or Kumho's. Good performance for the dollar.
 
^^^Both of you guys are right on about the pricing. I shopped them to death and they were still quite pricey.

But after my last experience with the fabulously reviewed Hankooks that degraded rapidly as they wore down I was not going that way again.

Amazing tires, worth every penny. And with a 30k mile warranty, 300 treadwear rating!
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8

But after my last experience with the fabulously reviewed Hankooks that degraded rapidly as they wore down I was not going that way again.

Yeah, they do.
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
I have been shopping for a while now to replace the Hankook Ventus V12's that have been on my car with the new Pilot Super Sports from Michelin. My sincere thanks to Overkill for his sage advice as he also owns a sedan with big power and LOVES these tires.

Using 275/35/20 as my favorite 275/40/20 is not available in these. Since I have a Diablosport programmer I can set tire size in the computer to avoid any issues with the slight difference in size. The shorter sidewall just seems to sharpen up the steering a bit.

This car eats tires like candy. 2 tons of 180 mph sedan will do that if driven enthusiastically. So tread life has never been a real consideration but TRACTION is overwhelmingly important to me! This car has some amazing capabilities for a luxury car, easily pulling over a full G in cornering and stopping better than a Porsche.

The short story is these tires are amazing. Right out of the box they are quieter, stickier, and best of all, smoother than any tire on the car. I've had OEM Goodyears, Toyos, Hankooks, and now these... incomparable. HUGE difference in "clomp" as when you cross a break in the pavement or some built up markings at intersections. It's just amazing that a tire so HUGE can be so quiet and smooth, and 35 series tires are not normally mentioned with the words ride quality!

Braking is so much better, I had to really get deep into the brakes to get any ABS, and the hook up is so good under acceleration that it feels like I have 2 tires on each side in the rear! It's common to wag the tail a bit up to the 2-3 shift at about 80, but no more.

I can only imagine how these will improve with some miles. Hasn't been wet yet, but I have been assured that wet weather is one of their finest attributes!


Steve:

Your review sounds incredible similar to mine. They are indeed AMAZING tires! Glad to hear your experience mirrors my own
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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8

The short story is these tires are amazing. Right out of the box they are quieter, stickier, and best of all, smoother than any tire on the car. I've had OEM Goodyears, Toyos, Hankooks, and now these... incomparable. HUGE difference in "clomp" as when you cross a break in the pavement or some built up markings at intersections. It's just amazing that a tire so HUGE can be so quiet and smooth, and 35 series tires are not normally mentioned with the words ride quality!


I know you said you've tried Toyos but I'm curious if you tried the RA1's? A good buddy of mine runs them on his CTS-V (3,850 lbs) on track days and absolutely loves them.
 
^^^Nope, I would not even consider them, as this car is driven as a weekender with occasional track time in there once in a great while.

Pilot Super Sports are STREET tires for everyday use, not even comparable!
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
^^^Nope, I would not even consider them, as this car is driven as a weekender with occasional track time in there once in a great while.

Pilot Super Sports are STREET tires for everyday use, not even comparable!


I understand. He keeps them mounted on separate wheels for track days, didn't know if you did the same.
 
As far as I know, Toyo does not make the RA-1s in 20" sizes, do they??
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Steve, Overkill (and the others who own these);

It is AMAZING that Michelin actually has a 30K mile warranty on these great donuts, as I suspect that they are MUCH MUCH 'stickier' than their 300 treadwear rating would suggest!!
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Originally Posted By: dailydriver
As far as I know, Toyo does not make the RA-1s in 20" sizes, do they??
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Steve, Overkill (and the others who own these);

It is AMAZING that Michelin actually has a 30K mile warranty on these great donuts, as I suspect that they are MUCH MUCH 'stickier' than their 300 treadwear rating would suggest!!
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Where they get their mojo is a mystery to me. Quiet? Smooth? Long tread life? Super stick?

Those are just not found together. Plus there is amazing steering feel and precision that is unusual in a brand new tire until broke in a bit. Typically you just don't get it "all" in one tire!
 
Okay, finally got some miles and a little update is in order.

One, the most notable thing that gets me is the steering precision. These tires have amazing accuracy or precision in the steering, they feel smaller than their size would suggest. I used to run a 245 on the front just because it help the steering feel. Alas, it was Cheap Rubber Syndrome (CRS)!

Second is WET performance. OMG, it's almost as though the road is not wet at all! Wow is a good word here. Steaming along in heavy downpour at very high speeds is amazingly confidence inspiring.

Finally, the braking is now so good after break in that it is almost unreal. I have to do amazing things to get any ABS intervention, outrageous thresholds on these tires!

Worth it!
 
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Originally Posted By: KitaCam
I did a search and find that this tire is not in Camry's size...
...big disappointment


BAH HAHAHAH! This is full of awesome
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I have these Pilot Super Sports on both my Honda Civic and my Mercedes 500SL. I agree with everything you say. They are head and shoulders above the Michelin Primacys that I had previously on the Civic.

They are a different tread pattern on the size for the Mercedes. They have a 30k tread wear guarantee on the Civic, but only a 15K tread wear on the Mercedes because they are a staggered setup and therefore cannot be rotated. I don't know if you know that- but they are still great tires
 
Nyati,

When I bought them the warranty was a bonus. It was not the deal maker or breaker.

My car ships with a staggered size configuration. I have changed that for looks and a bit more handling, plus the ability to rotate the tires if needed.
 
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