New S&W M&P 5.7 Series

Honest Outlaw just did a review of it. He seemed pretty impressed. The groups were really tight, and he said that the kickback was almost nothing.

But it sounds like 5.7 ammo is kind of expensive. I just checked Palmetto, and 5.7 is about double the price of 9 mm. Not near as much availability either.

 
The latest plastic fantastic... make it in high polish royal blue steel with walnut stocks and I may be interested...
Dang I am old...
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The fact my .22 suppressor is rated for this cartridge has made me want of these purely because its already threaded.. It does look pretty neat with the sight.
 
But it sounds like 5.7 ammo is kind of expensive. I just checked Palmetto, and 5.7 is about double the price of 9 mm. Not near as much availability either.
Bit tricky to reload too, can't tumble it, bit small and it's like doing rifle ammo. Not impossible but certainly not like doing straight wall cases. I think some said the case life was short too, but maybe that is gun specific.

Bummer, looks pretty cool. Reminds me, I was mildly interested in the PMR 30 when it came out, 30 rounds of 22mag. 5.7 is faster, likely feeds better and lacks the rimfire issue. Sounds like a better round than 22mag for the application.
 
That 5.7mm round is no joke.
If I wasnt so heavily vested in 9mm I would be veyr tempted.
Ruger has a 5.7 out too.
I haven't seen any ballistics on the 5.7. Does it make a respectable self defense weapon?

I did just glance over a 5.7mm vs 9mm review on ammo.com. Apparently, the 5.7 was designed specifically to replace the 9x19. But a lot of the advantages that the 5.7 is designed to have over the 9x19 really would only matter on the battle field. For self defense, where the vast majority of gun shootings will be within 7 yards, it seems that the 5.7 looses most of it's advantages.

For those of us that live in free states, the 5.7 would have the advantage of larger magazine capacity. But with a bullet that is within the same weight range as a .22 LR. Hmm.
 
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For those of us that live in free states, the 5.7 would have the advantage of larger magazine capacity. But with a bullet that is within the same weight range as a .22 LR. Hmm.
But it's much zippier than 22lr. Faster, which adds energy, and I was reading that it tumbles nicely on impact too, which opens up wound channel wider. The 5.7 is arguably better than 22 magnum, but in terms of comparing to other rounds, 22mag is closer than 22lr.

Not sure what kind of report it would have in a small room. noise-flash-boom. In a do-or-die situation one tends to focus their attention but I'm not sure how disorienting 5.7mm vs 9mm would be. Might be a complete wash. This of course works both ways, but in my mind, what would be faster back on target. Probably comes down to, for a "respectable self defense weapon", what will one practice more with? a 9mm with cheaper ammo, or this 5.7 with lower recoil? JMHO.
 
Has anyone came out with a 5.7 pistol that is sized for a good concealed carry? The S&W, Ruger and FN are the only ones I'm aware of, and they are all a little on the large side. Could they be cc? Sure. Even a 1911 can be cc. But not ideal.
 
I have been adding to the S&W bench for a while now and their v2.0 pistols have some really good improvements over the v1.0 counterparts. For this pistol (unless I am missing it), it needs to have (for me) the replaceable grips/backstraps their other pistols to give more customization.

Otherwise, it is likely to be a great pistol.
 
I haven't seen any ballistics on the 5.7. Does it make a respectable self defense weapon?

I did just glance over a 5.7mm vs 9mm review on ammo.com. Apparently, the 5.7 was designed specifically to replace the 9x19. But a lot of the advantages that the 5.7 is designed to have over the 9x19 really would only matter on the battle field. For self defense, where the vast majority of gun shootings will be within 7 yards, it seems that the 5.7 looses most of it's advantages.

For those of us that live in free states, the 5.7 would have the advantage of larger magazine capacity. But with a bullet that is within the same weight range as a .22 LR. Hmm.


 
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I haven't seen any ballistics on the 5.7. Does it make a respectable self defense weapon?

I did just glance over a 5.7mm vs 9mm review on ammo.com. Apparently, the 5.7 was designed specifically to replace the 9x19. But a lot of the advantages that the 5.7 is designed to have over the 9x19 really would only matter on the battle field. For self defense, where the vast majority of gun shootings will be within 7 yards, it seems that the 5.7 looses most of it's advantages.

For those of us that live in free states, the 5.7 would have the advantage of larger magazine capacity. But with a bullet that is within the same weight range as a .22 LR. Hmm.
I dont want to make my post too controversial but there was a terrorist attack on US soil not so long ago where a 5.7mm was used to devastating effect and the fit grown men that were hit stopped fighting like a switch, in a way that I do not think 9mm would have accomplished at least not in FMJ.
And the extra mag capacity likely helped the bad guy too.
Dont want to tempt the moderators though.. so I am not linking it and using those kinda incidents as good data is what grownups do, but in todays fear driven climate can be deliberatly miscontrued at a workplace so I leave it at that.
 
Have you got one of these yet?

https://www.springfield-armory.com/sa-35-series-handguns/sa-35-handguns/sa-35-9mm-handgun/

Not high polish but pretty classy for a new 9mm.
I got the only one I have seen in Maine at my LGS for $20 UNDER MSRP...

Vintage Brownings are beautiful but I would not carry one too nice, but "delicate" and can be finicky... this one has cured all that... the magazine disconnect removed, good modern sights, and reverse compatible with Browning magazines, feeds hollowpoints with aplomb!

I really like it... it would be a close call between the SA-35 and a Czechoslovakian CZ-75 Pre-B as the most comfortable all steel 9mm for my hands...
 
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