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Hi all,

I'm a new member to the forum and was hoping to get some suggestions from the group as to which oil I should use for my next OC.

I have a 2007 Buick Lucerne that has a 3.8L Series III motor with 84k miles. I have had the oil changed every 4k mi since the car was new and it is now out of the warranty period. I have read that this car should be easy on oil, making the choice of oil rather straightforward, but I have had some issues which have made me rethink how it should be maintained. Right now, the car consumes about 1 qt every 2K mi to stay topped off (4.5 qt capacity.) It was worse, but the dealer replaced the exhaust valve stem seals as per a GM TSB around 45k mi. After the fix, it started using oil at the 1qt/2k mi rate (give or take 1/2 qt.), which was not enough for GM to do anything more while it was under warranty -- a bit disappointing, but it is what it is. The dealer has gone over the vehicle carefully with me, and the exhaust is clean (no blue smoke) even after sitting over a weekend and there are no noticeable leaks: the car stays parked in the same park of my driveway and the pavement under it is quite clean.

One interesting bit of trivia about the car: I have been told that in an effort to improve fuel vaporization and economy on late model 3.8L equipped cars, GM increased the engine's operating temp. In support of this, I did notice from day one of ownership that the heat coming from the engine was noticeably higher than I would have expected. If this is true, it may give a clue as to why the oil is being used at a faster rate than expected (and make the case to consider an oil that dissipates heat well and maintains good shear properties.) All this said, the engine temp gauge has been very consistent on this vehicle in that when its at operating temp, it stays in the dead middle of the "safe zone." I suppose it would be worthwhile to somehow measure the oil temp to see if it is considerably different from previous cars that use that engine.

I have been using Buick dealer supplied bulk 5w30 synthetic blend since new with one exception: at ~60K, the dealer suggested a 10w30 weight to decrease oil consumption. I didn't notice much of a change as it took ~1.5 qts to make it to 4k, but its unclear if the oil they used had higher HTHS at running temp to the previously used 5w30, so that test might not say much.

My concerns are: 1. prolonging the life of the vehicle, and, 2. minimizing oil consumption. Added fuel mileage is not a concern. I live in Southern California, so the temps are mild (although the car is driven in freezing temps about 1 week/year.) 80% of the mileage is from short (sub 25 mi) interstate trips. I like the idea of sticking with a GM recommended oil, but since I am now out of warranty and no longer shacked by GM's GM6094M 0W/5w30 requirement, I am free to try other options. I will be doing the changes here on out myself and would prefer suggestions that aren't boutique oils (either easily available online or at a popular store: Walmart, AutoZone, Amazon.com, etc.) 4-5K change interval is fine, but i could go longer if the consensus was that a long-lived syth oil was best.

So what is the best oil for my car? Any suggestions are very much appreciated!!
 
I would go Pennzoil Conventional or Pennzoil Platinum with PP if you wanted to go to 7500 OCI. Not sure your car is demanding on oil. Disappointing oil consumption in your engine.
 
Originally Posted By: Walkdontrun
Hi all,

I'm a new member to the forum and was hoping to get some suggestions from the group as to which oil I should use for my next OC.

I have a 2007 Buick Lucerne that has a 3.8L Series III motor with 84k miles. I have had the oil changed every 4k mi since the car was new and it is now out of the warranty period. I have read that this car should be easy on oil, making the choice of oil rather straightforward, but I have had some issues which have made me rethink how it should be maintained. Right now, the car consumes about 1 qt every 2K mi to stay topped off (4.5 qt capacity.) It was worse, but the dealer replaced the exhaust valve stem seals as per a GM TSB around 45k mi. After the fix, it started using oil at the 1qt/2k mi rate (give or take 1/2 qt.), which was not enough for GM to do anything more while it was under warranty -- a bit disappointing, but it is what it is. The dealer has gone over the vehicle carefully with me, and the exhaust is clean (no blue smoke) even after sitting over a weekend and there are no noticeable leaks: the car stays parked in the same park of my driveway and the pavement under it is quite clean.

One interesting bit of trivia about the car: I have been told that in an effort to improve fuel vaporization and economy on late model 3.8L equipped cars, GM increased the engine's operating temp. In support of this, I did notice from day one of ownership that the heat coming from the engine was noticeably higher than I would have expected. If this is true, it may give a clue as to why the oil is being used at a faster rate than expected (and make the case to consider an oil that dissipates heat well and maintains good shear properties.) All this said, the engine temp gauge has been very consistent on this vehicle in that when its at operating temp, it stays in the dead middle of the "safe zone." I suppose it would be worthwhile to somehow measure the oil temp to see if it is considerably different from previous cars that use that engine.

I have been using Buick dealer supplied bulk 5w30 synthetic blend since new with one exception: at ~60K, the dealer suggested a 10w30 weight to decrease oil consumption. I didn't notice much of a change as it took ~1.5 qts to make it to 4k, but its unclear if the oil they used had higher HTHS at running temp to the previously used 5w30, so that test might not say much.

My concerns are: 1. prolonging the life of the vehicle, and, 2. minimizing oil consumption. Added fuel mileage is not a concern. I live in Southern California, so the temps are mild (although the car is driven in freezing temps about 1 week/year.) 80% of the mileage is from short (sub 25 mi) interstate trips. I like the idea of sticking with a GM recommended oil, but since I am now out of warranty and no longer shacked by GM's GM6094M 0W/5w30 requirement, I am free to try other options. I will be doing the changes here on out myself and would prefer suggestions that aren't boutique oils (either easily available online or at a popular store: Walmart, AutoZone, Amazon.com, etc.) 4-5K change interval is fine, but i could go longer if the consensus was that a long-lived syth oil was best.

So what is the best oil for my car? Any suggestions are very much appreciated!!


As your oil consumption is a tad high, it might be time to try a major brand HM. If that fails then think about moving up to a 5 or 10/40. If you are in a warm area then a 15w40 might work, BUT check the major brand oil finder guides for recommendations.
 
If you wanted to try and curb consumption you could try a high mileage oil and see if it helps. I would try Mobil 1 high mileage for two ocis and see what happens. If the consumption doesn't clear up go with a cheap dino like supertech and stay with the 4k ocis topping off regularly.

Welcome to BITOG.
 
I would absolutely recommend Valvoline MaxLife. It should fix your problem. A very powerful oil that can go to 8k in most cases. Every time I've used it, it has been black upon draining. That's because it cleans so darn well.

I haven't had many consumption issues but in our Hyundai the consumption has been almost zero. That's stop and go traffic at 3k.

I've heard lots of good things about fixing leaking and consumption with Max Life too.

If you're still leaking after 5w30 Max Life, try 10w30 Max Life.
 
Try a high mileage oil, especially if you don't care about fuel economy. Two suggestions, with the qualifier that I have not used either product. (I am new to the world of High Mileage oil. Welcome to the club.)

Quaker State Defy (synthetic blend) or Mobil 1 High Mileage full synthetic, in either case 10w30 for an oil burner out of warranty in SoCal. Both get good reviews, here and elsewhere. Both are available at the usual places. I currently have the older Quaker State High Mileage---the predecessor to Defy---in my Saturn SL, but plan to try Defy at the next change.

So, how hard/fast do you drive on the fairly short highway trips? That could impact oil consumption. Good luck.
 
Originally Posted By: KCJeep
Of the oils I've tried, Maxlife will have the most positive impact on consumption. Great stuff.


Have you tryed gtx hm??
 
Originally Posted By: electrolover
Originally Posted By: KCJeep
Of the oils I've tried, Maxlife will have the most positive impact on consumption. Great stuff.


Have you tryed gtx hm??


I have. It was okay. I didn't notice a difference either way, but then again I don't think I was consuming at that point either.
 
No oil I tried (and I tried a lot) ever made any difference in the rate of consumption on my Buick 3800, which was approximately the same as what you're reporting. I'd run whatever's cheap, and buy extra for top offs.
 
Originally Posted By: zerosoma
Originally Posted By: electrolover
Originally Posted By: KCJeep
Of the oils I've tried, Maxlife will have the most positive impact on consumption. Great stuff.


Have you tryed gtx hm??


I have. It was okay. I didn't notice a difference either way, but then again I don't think I was consuming at that point either.



Just curious. I like em both
 
Originally Posted By: electrolover
Originally Posted By: KCJeep
Of the oils I've tried, Maxlife will have the most positive impact on consumption. Great stuff.


Have you tryed gtx hm??


Oh yeah huge fan of Castrol High Milege, I'm running it now in the Jeep, the second straight OCI of it, and I have at least two more runs scheduled for it.

That said when it comes to consumption issues Maxlife works better, at least in our cars it does. My Jeep didn't seem to care for the Maxlife, very noisy, surprising since our cars seem to run so well on it and with reduced consumption too, but it likes Castrol High Mileage so much it doesn't matter.

I think Castrol High Mileage cleans better though, also a plus for my previously neglected Jeep.
 
Recently purchased a 08 Grand Prix with the same engine. Researched used oil analysis on here for a while. The engine tends to shed metal (copper and aluminum) with some oils. Least metal shedding was PP. As far as the oil consumption, I burn a whole lot more at highway speeds. The engine is full of deposits and varnish possibly from using dino for 7k+ OLMs. If a cleanup doesn't solve the consumption, I plan to get the seals replaced per this TSB. Was this the TSB you had performed?

Bulletin No.: 05-06-01-035A

Date: October 02, 2007

TECHNICAL

Subject:

L26, L32, L36, L67 Excessive Oil Consumption (Replace Exhaust Valve Stem Seals)

Models:

2005 Buick LeSabre, Park Avenue
2005-2008 Buick Allure (Canada Only), LaCrosse
2006-2008 Buick Lucerne
2005 Chevrolet Impala, Monte Carlo
2005 Pontiac Bonneville
2005-2008 Pontiac Grand Prix

with 3800 Series II, III V6 Engine (VINs 2, 4, K, 1 - RPOs L26, L32, L36, L67)

Supercede:

This bulletin is being revised to update the model years. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 05-06-01-035 (Section 06 - Engine/Propulsion System).

Condition

Some customers may comment on excessive oil consumption on 3800 Series II and Series III engines. An engine that has excessive oil consumption uses 0.9L (1 qt) of oil or more within 3200 km (2,000 mi).

Cause

This condition may be caused by the retaining ring on the exhaust valve stem seal not securely holding the seal on the cylinder head boss. If this occurs, the exhaust valve stem seal(s) may move off the cylinder head boss and no longer provide a sealing function between the exhaust valve stem and the valve guide.

Correction

Inspection and/or Replacement of Exhaust Valve Stem Seals

Follow the appropriate Service Information for the vehicle you are working on to gain access to cylinder head exhaust valves on both cylinder banks. Remove the engine valve rocker arm covers, the exhaust rocker arms and the exhaust valve springs.
 
1 qt in 2k IMO is allot,Ive owned 3 of these 3800's and none have used oil,interesting,i would be upset and would demand more action from GM.

Matter of fact none of my present GMs use any oil. but if your happy thats all that matters.
 
Pennzoil High Mileage 5w30 for 2 oil changes.
If that still does not curb the oil consumption try Pennzoil High Mileage 10w40. I would not go higher than a 40 grade
 
Welcome! I'd try Mobil 1 High Mileage 10w40 for three changes and reassess. That should get you on the right track.
 
Originally Posted By: Donald
PP with PP ... Disappointing oil consumption in your engine.


Pennzoil Platinum is the first PP. What is the second PP? Sorry, new to the board. Yes, I am disappointed about the the oil consumption for such a new car. My concern is what it means for the longevity of the engine...

Thanks!!
 
Originally Posted By: skyship


As your oil consumption is a tad high, it might be time to try a major brand HM. If that fails then think about moving up to a 5 or 10/40. If you are in a warm area then a 15w40 might work, BUT check the major brand oil finder guides for recommendations.


Should I look for a "thinner" running 40 wt if it gets to that?
 
Originally Posted By: electrolover
If you wanted to try and curb consumption you could try a high mileage oil and see if it helps. I would try Mobil 1 high mileage for two ocis and see what happens. If the consumption doesn't clear up go with a cheap dino like supertech and stay with the 4k ocis topping off regularly.

Welcome to BITOG.


Thanks! Any suggestions on the wt of Mobil 1 High Mileage? Stick with 5w30?
 
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