NEW M1-103A filter CUT OPEN

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Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
I missed something here. What is wrong with this filter?


It got cut open … nothing else …
 
Originally Posted By: car51
LOL!


Well … At least it takes a bit to cut that M1 can … the “proper” AC Delco I just cut must of taken two turns and done …
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It was even longer than the FU … but light as a feather …

Thanks for C&P
 
Car51 - I always manage to learn something when you do a C&P.

I do like the way Champ Labs tucks the cut end of the seam toward the center tube. I do not remember an M1 tearing at the wide pleat spaces. I think the M1 filters are over priced.

Thanks for the C&P.
 
Originally Posted By: WellOiled
Car51 - I always manage to learn something when you do a C&P.

I do like the way Champ Labs tucks the cut end of the seam toward the center tube. I do not remember an M1 tearing at the wide pleat spaces. I think the M1 filters are over priced.

Thanks for the C&P.


The blended media is thicker and tougher than the cheap paper filters that tear so easily …
 
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
When there's an obvious problem with a Fram it gets its fair share of criticism just like any other filter around here. But when photos are posted and people make assumptions that there's actually a real problem with that specific filter based one instance of a problem over the last 3 years, then that's what gets challenged.


Delco PF64 one bad sample, all are bad, can't use those now. Fram bad sample comes up, it's alright, just one bad one is all that is. Pretty extreme bias going on. Not a problem, I can now limit my oil filter choices. Which means the site isn't a complete waste of time.
 
Originally Posted By: WellOiled
Car51 - I always manage to learn something when you do a C&P.

I do like the way Champ Labs tucks the cut end of the seam toward the center tube. I do not remember an M1 tearing at the wide pleat spaces. I think the M1 filters are over priced.

Thanks for the C&P.

Same here. That's what I stated to him earlier. When I see a new C&P by car51, it's like gaining more knowledge. Like earlier, when I asked about those notches in the leaf spring. If car51 had not made this C&P, I would not have learned about it.
I don't know how we got off subject about one filter being biased over another, one member being biased about certain filters, etc. What we should be happy about is we are learning here.
 
Well, BOF, I think the truth is we all have opportunities to learn here, that some make more use of than others.

Some here actively go out of the way to try to bury data that doesn't match their paradigms or lies outside their personal experience envelope, others embrace such as opportunity for growth.
 
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I don't believe that is what Nygotha said there. I could be wrong but I really don't think so.. "Lies outside of their personal experience envelope" is what he said. And they makes some good sense in a way. I don't think that means calling someone a liar. Just that something may be outside of what they have seen or experienced for themselves.

And that is true at times with things my friend.
 
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IMO filter looks respectable, I'd use it as part of an oil and filter promotion. It's the dang price point on them at WM (and other places) that make them a no go for me. Are they worth more than an FU, I don't think so.

As for the "notches" in the leaf sring, good question, never thought about it. However, it's classic Champ blue button bypass/leaf spring design that Champ has been using for a very long time. To prove it you can check out member heypete's excellent virgin Super Tech's 4967(topic filter's value priced cousin) c&p dating to 2010 (scroll down for more detail pics). Same bypass/leaf spring design.

Super Tech 4967 C&P (2010)

Looking at it there, I'm thinking the leaf spring notches provide filter element endcap outer edge pressure, support and balance.

Thanks for c&p.
 
Originally Posted By: bbhero
I don't believe that is what Nygotha said there. I could be wrong but I really don't think so.. "Lies outside of their personal experience envelope" is what he said. And they makes some good sense in a way. I don't think that means calling someone a liar. Just that something may be outside of what they have seen or experienced for themselves.

And that is true at times with things my friend.


How about resides outside of ... etc
 
Doesn't look as good as the pre-suffix "A" ones, not too sure about that ADBV either-that's not what silicone normally looks like. Has there ever been any consensus on who is actually making these & the efficiency? There's been some tempting oil change specials recently (AZ) that would make these a decent deal after rebate, but I'm not sold on the newer M1 filters quality. BTW, nice work as always, Adam.
 
The scoops appear to be stops so the spring only compresses a small amount. Once the scoop touches the end cap the filter is going to get very tightly held together as the scoops take the deflection. Delco PF1233 that was on my desk. Pretty bad to have a cut open oil filter on a desk.

 
Originally Posted By: goodtimes
The scoops appear to be stops so the spring only compresses a small amount. Once the scoop touches the end cap the filter is going to get very tightly held together as the scoops take the deflection. Delco PF1233 that was on my desk. Pretty bad to have a cut open oil filter on a desk.



Thank you GT. I learned something new today.
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Originally Posted By: Yah-Tah-Hey
The OEM Toyota oil filters I use looked much better than that high priced filter.

That might be visually but whenever I have seen ISO results on M1 filters it does a better job filtering at low micron levels than a lot of other filters.
 
Originally Posted By: 4WD
Originally Posted By: bbhero
I don't believe that is what Nygotha said there. I could be wrong but I really don't think so.. "Lies outside of their personal experience envelope" is what he said. And they makes some good sense in a way. I don't think that means calling someone a liar. Just that something may be outside of what they have seen or experienced for themselves.

And that is true at times with things my friend.


How about resides outside of ... etc


Guess I missed something before 5AM CT this morning. bbhero & 4WD have read things correctly along with everyone but the person whose ppst was deleted. I can't see what was posted that bbhero was responding to here but that's OK.

It's oe thing to make an honest mistake & learn from it, here's an example link where I made an honest mistake, learned ftom it, and acknowledged the correction, guess I could have thanked the poster for the correction as well but that's a bit gushy for me on a site like this. Hopefully it's read into my acknowledgement by the individual posting the correction.

LINK

However if info is presented as a correction and subsequently is quoted using the "quote" feature here but effort is deliberately made to delete the links to the corrected info in a response, then I think honest has joined Elvis and left the building in such a case.
 
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: goodtimes
The scoops appear to be stops so the spring only compresses a small amount. Once the scoop touches the end cap the filter is going to get very tightly held together as the scoops take the deflection. Delco PF1233 that was on my desk. Pretty bad to have a cut open oil filter on a desk.



Thank you GT. I learned something new today.
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+1, it would make sense for those "scoops" to act like a mechanical limit stop on the leaf spring so the 4 legs on the blue button bypass aren't in contact with or depressed by the inner dome surface of the can when the leaf spring is compressed.
 
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