New Jersey , pssh , what a well run state lol
New Jersey tells Tesla: remove super chargers from NJ Turnpike
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Tesla knew years ago that they were losing the lease. They had little reason to upgrade the chargers.
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Seems some are trying to do an apples to apples - whilst forgetting that Tesla planted all the trees …
I understand your points, however out of all the states on the eastern seaboard it seems like New Jersey has been the most progressive in getting charging stations done.
So I can’t really fault anything that they do and the consumer has all the choices in the world. They could clearly exit the New Jersey Turnpike and use a Tesla supercharger.
What if the third company wants to come along then they’d have to have three companies or four companies?
I suspect in order to be most cost-efficient the state deals with one company and that company takes on a lot of expenses for that privilege.
I’m sure there is a reason and I suspect that reason would be why do they need two companies there? It might actually look like they are favoring the manufacturer of a vehicle (Tesla) by doing so.
Agree. Registered independent here too.
New Jersey has over 200,000 electric vehicle registrations and the number continues to grow, fast. Having spent a fair amount of time in New Jersey the last few years, Tesla is the dominant brand. It seems ridiculous to tear out an existing infrastructure of Tesla chargers and have another firm replace them. Seems to me that, just as the total number of electric cars is growing, the number of charging stations needed also grows. Why not leave the Tesla chargers in place, and install the new chargers in a different location on the same property?
Tesla was proprietary. Now I think at least gm is going to Tesla standard. CSS was north America and Europe and chademo was Asia. Tesla was just Tesla for a long time. Chademo was the dominant standard everywhere in the early days.
Indeed. Sounds like someone or some people in the nj government is suffering from Elon derangement syndrome.
This post isn't related to tesla cars or chargers. But I just received a notice with my registration renewal that says, all electric vehicles in New Jersey , besides they're renewal fee will be changed and additional $250 fee. This fee is to cover lost revenue from money usually collected for road repairs, in gas sales. Plus every year for the next 4 years, that fee will go up $10. So by 2028, it will $280. I'm sure other stated will impose their own form of "money rejuvenation" once they realise there ain't enough money to fix the roads.,,,
Electric vehicles use roads. They benefit from fixed potholes and repaving like all other vehicles on the streets and highways. Other vehicles run on fossil fuel, so revenue to maintain roads can be collected via fuel taxes.
"On the other hand, electric vehicles are often charged at home. Some from home located solar arrays. Imposing a "road tax" on electricity used to run electric cars is not so simple as taxing fuel at the gas station. Many recharge their cars off their home electric mains or solar arrays.
An annual fee in lieu of highway tax seems like a reasonable way to have the electric vehicle users pay their fair share.
"On the other hand, electric vehicles are often charged at home. Some from home located solar arrays. Imposing a "road tax" on electricity used to run electric cars is not so simple as taxing fuel at the gas station. Many recharge their cars off their home electric mains or solar arrays.
An annual fee in lieu of highway tax seems like a reasonable way to have the electric vehicle users pay their fair share.
and since they are as heavy as trucks what is the right fee?
They should charge based on annual miles. That would account for the uber'ers and such that drive insane miles just like a gas tax would.
3 to 8 cents a mile? seems about right. A bolt is a whole different animal than a rivian or cybertruck though.. they might have to have custom rates for different models.
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Okay folks, let's keep politics out of this thread or it will be closed. We don't need to know your party affiliation.
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Yes, that is a problem. If one drives BMW 328 like I do, consumption for the most part reflects the weight etc. Also, if one drives a 2nd gen Sequoia like we do, consumption reflects a V8 that is pulling 5,934 lbs empty. So, taxes are collected accordingly.
However, EVs are heavy, and Rivian is the same weight as a Sequoia, and some are heavier. So, EV tax should reflect the fact that one is rolling in a small tank on the street.
This is just wrong. A private company that maintains their chargers is being removed for a government contract. Disgusting.
Other cars can charge at Superchargers. I see Fords, Chevrolets, Rivians, and Cadillacs at them all the time. Some older Superchargers might need updated to support all cars, but early chargers were Tesla only because of the communication process to charge. Now the Tesla app supports charging for non Teslas.
Mine is $260 in Wisconsin now. I just got my renewal in the mail.
The company also moved their world HQ from Ireland to New Jersey. The whole thing stinks to high heaven. Can you say KICKBACKS?
I don’t see it that way if you read post 17 and post 21 from @E365
As time goes on, I would think it would be just wrong for one automobile company to be in charge of the charging network on major thoroughfares with the clear benefit to their brand vehicle
Tesla offered nothing the other company did.
Not all. I would think the biggest problem right now is lack of enough adoption. Tesla Superchargers that can be accessed by other brands are limited.
https://www.motortrend.com/features/tesla-nacs-charging-port-automaker-compatibility
The one advantage that Tesla has with its infrastructure is ease of use with Teslas. It's "powerline communication" where it figures out what car, and a Tesla is supposed to be registered in a database with a form of payment. There might also be credits available, or even those who still have free charging for life.
As far as I've heard, the Tesla Superchargers available to other makes don't do that. I believe they have to be paid for separately, although I'm not sure how. Possibly point of sale (i.e. credit card), or with an account and maybe an access card or NFC to start it going.
I don't have a whole lot of experience with paid charging. I've got a ChargePoint account but have never used it. I have a Shell account too, but have only used it to access free charging. I was required to provide a credit card, since some of their network is not free. But basically I have to select the charging unit (there's an ID) and approve the start of charging via their mobile app after it's plugged in. Before it starts providing juice, the vehicle will state that it's connected but waiting for charging to start. However, the paid Shell Recharge stations I've seen look like they have a credit card reader.
To cut them from the property when they're both installed on the same property is just nuts. I'm not saying Tesla should have the only chargers, but the exact opposite of what you are saying is what is happening. Tesla is being forced to close their chargers while another single company gets all business.
For that matter like mentioned it was planned to cut Tesla's lease, so they started installing updated chargers nearby and held off on updating these chargers so not many could charge other cars. Now if that hadn't been the case, these would have been updated. If they had updated these chargers instead of installing new ones in nearby locations, Tesla would have lost all their saturation in the area.
Lets not forget that these new approved New Jersey chargers cost $0.59 per kWh while Tesla charges $0.39. What we have is literal highway robbery while New Jersey helps enforce a monopoly.
This is the the perfect example of government corruption.